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1/19/2011 6:19:28 AM EDT
i have an M&P 15 OR carbine. all stock including the buffer. I'm going to get a BCM 20 inch rifle upper (if they ever come back in stock). do i need to change or should i change the buffer if i put it on the M&P carbine lower?

if i should change what do you suggest going with?
1/19/2011 6:39:52 AM EDT
[#1]
Shoot it; if it malfunctions then maybe go with a lighter buffer; H, or standard
1/19/2011 6:56:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Carbine stocks take carbine buffers.  The difference between a "carbine buffer" and a "rifle buffer" is its length and weight-carbine buffers are obviously shorter and typically about 1 to 1.5 oz lighter than rifle buffers.  It's likely that your 20" upper will run fine with a carbine buffer.  While the carbine buffer is lighter than a rifle buffer, your upper's "rifle length" gas system will provide a later, gentler gas impulse to the carrier, which should counteract the effect of the lighter buffer.
1/19/2011 7:05:52 AM EDT
[#3]
so i'll try it as is but if it does malfunction would i need a lighter or heavier buffer?
1/19/2011 7:19:25 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
so i'll try it as is but if it does malfunction would i need a lighter or heavier buffer?


The Canadian military C7A2 rifle, a 20" upper on a carbine lower, reportedly uses an H2 buffer.
1/19/2011 7:25:39 AM EDT
[#5]
That depends on the malfunction.  If the carrier slams back to hard and bounces (which can cause failures to feed), you need a heavier carrier.  If it doesn't consistently cycle all the way back (which can cause incomplete extraction/ejection) then you need a lighter one.  In most cases a heavier buffer is only needed in high cyclic rate applications, not in semi-auto rifles.  The Canadian Forces C7A2 is a 20" upper on a carbine lower; it uses an H2 buffer.  For comparison, here's a list of buffers and their weights (accumulated from a variety of sources...)

CAR std 3.0oz
CAR H 3.8oz
CAR H2 4.6oz
CAR H3 5.4oz
RRA 9mm 5.6oz
Rifle 5.1oz (obviously this won't work in a carbine lower)

You can go crazy trying to figure out what "perfect" buffer to get, or you can start out with a standard carbine buffer and change if you feel you need to.  I'd go with a standard buffer and change only if there were real problems.
1/19/2011 7:33:37 AM EDT
[#6]
thanks a lot guys. im gonna use what i got now and like you said if and only if there is a malfunction i will then try to figure out the "perfect" buffer. thanks again.
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