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1/3/2010 5:20:38 PM EDT
I'm curious about ejection in the AR-15 system - specifically, what can ejection tell you about the set-up of one's rifle?



I see AR's that flip brass forward, some that flip them backwards; some that send them 5 feet, and some 20 feet.  I know there are a lot of variables, and that a rifle-length action operates differently from an SBR.



So, taking a 16" carbine, what is the optimum ejection pattern?  And how does one fix a system that is ejecting brass poorly (whatever that means.)



For the record, mine seems to kick the brass about 6 feet right and 3 feet forward.  Operation seems good, and I've never had a failure in the several hundred rounds that have gone through it.  On the fired brass I do notice a small toolmark on the headstamp that looks like a small dent that runs from the rim to the primer pocket.
1/3/2010 5:25:02 PM EDT
[#1]
This seems to be coming up a lot lately.  As long as the rifle is ejecting, I would't get to worried about it, but here ya go anyway:


ETA: sorry, chart back up
1/3/2010 5:31:37 PM EDT
[#2]




Quoted:

This seems to be coming up a lot lately. As long as the rifle is ejecting, I would't get to worried about it, but here ya go anyway:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/Captains1911/temp/ARejectionpattern.jpg




Thanks for that chart. Sorry if my question is a recent dupe.



It looks like an adjustable gas block might be in my future.  Or maybe I should try a heavier buffer first?





1/3/2010 5:33:48 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:

Quoted:
This seems to be coming up a lot lately. As long as the rifle is ejecting, I would't get to worried about it, but here ya go anyway:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/Captains1911/temp/ARejectionpattern.jpg


Thanks for that chart. Sorry if my question is a recent dupe.

It looks like an adjustable gas block might be in my future.  Or maybe I should try a heavier buffer first?




Like i said, if it's ejecting I would leave it be.  My Colt 6920 ejects at around 2:00, but it runs 100%, and that's what's important.
1/3/2010 5:34:47 PM EDT
[#4]




Quoted:



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Quoted:

This seems to be coming up a lot lately. As long as the rifle is ejecting, I would't get to worried about it, but here ya go anyway:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/Captains1911/temp/ARejectionpattern.jpg




Thanks for that chart. Sorry if my question is a recent dupe.



It looks like an adjustable gas block might be in my future. Or maybe I should try a heavier buffer first?









Like i said, if it's ejecting I would leave it be. My Colt 6920 ejects at around 2:00, but it runs 100%, and that's what's important.




OK, thanks.

1/3/2010 5:58:27 PM EDT
[#5]
Doesn't quality of ammo effect this as well?

I know when I run M193 through my Spike's midlength, the brass ends up about 3-4 oclock. When I shoot Wolf, brass is all over the place.
1/3/2010 6:08:16 PM EDT
[#6]
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Doesn't quality of ammo effect this as well?

I know when I run M193 through my Spike's midlength, the brass ends up about 3-4 oclock. When I shoot Wolf, brass is all over the place.


Quality?  Maybe.  Power?  Definitely.  

When you shoot Wolf, you get a good demonstration of how inconsistently it's loaded because the cases go "all over the place."  But if you use M193 consistently then change to a quality .223 loading, you'll notice that the empties eject differently-though they'll all go pretty much the same way.  It has to do with gas pressure and impulse, which are affected by the overall pressure curve of the round.
1/4/2010 2:58:44 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:

It looks like an adjustable gas block might be in my future.  Or maybe I should try a heavier buffer first?



IMO you should go to a heavier spring and/or a heavier buffer.

1/4/2010 4:47:34 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:

Like i said, if it's ejecting I would leave it be.  My Colt 6920 ejects at around 2:00, but it runs 100%, and that's what's important.


Exactly.  Don't put a bunch of nonsense aftermarket shit on your gun.
1/4/2010 7:38:38 AM EDT
[#9]
What you are seeing for an ejection in a carbine length gas system is normal from my experience. The shorter the tube,the faster the impulse.

You can put a heavier buffer and/or carrrier,I tried that,it didn't seem to change much except a slight perceived recoil reduction.

If it aint broke,don't fix it.
2/10/2010 1:51:39 AM EDT
[#10]
anyone have a link to the chart?  this one's dead now.
2/10/2010 3:22:18 AM EDT
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Quoted:

anyone have a link to the chart? this one's dead now.




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