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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Engraving (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/10/2011 11:42:16 AM EDT
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I am trying to get close to the Colt export markings. I have seen some really good engraving done on some of your guys retros. I am having trouble with ident marking services getting what I would like on my receiver. Who do you guys recommend? It seems like they dont want to deviate beyond their standard "Property of US Government" engraving. I do not want anything saying Property Of US Government on my weapon.
I want something similar to this. 
Something like this would be ok. 
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I was hoping I could get the pony lowered ontop of the globe. They will not do that. I have seen colt logos both ways. They will not put Colt on it. I understand thats fine. I was hoping I could get the serial number of the original kit on the lower. They will not do that due to conflicting markings and the BATF. I also would have thought it would be easy to match the font to the picture. Import as image or trace the letters then scale to fit.
I have edited their picture they sent me. I have sent that to them. Hopefully that is alright. I want something close. I feel for $80 dollars I am just getting a printing service. I feel like they have a file in the CNC with the default M-16A1 logo. Then just hit print. I was hoping for something more. |
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I went with Orion, their site says 4 weeks turn around. My receiver arrived there 1/11 & is due to arrive 11/11, that's a fast turn around. I pray it is quality work. You sent it on January 11 and won't have it back until November 11? Doh...!! sorry Dialysis puts the brain drain on me at times, March 1st~ due to arrive March 11th |
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I will ask. I gave them two images. That was my assumption they will not add colt. They seem to be afraid of copyright issues
Obviously we want to get what you want on your retro engraving but some of what you are asking isn't possible for us. The pony logo and the fonts are modified for trademark issues and that is the version we use for all of our engravings. We don't put serial numbers on any other manufacturers weapons due to possible BATFE issues with conflicting S/N and tracing issues. There were several versions of the M16A1 roll stamps so we chose the most common and closest font we could to the orginial guns. I can scale the font to enlarge the M16A1 if that helps. I hope you understand what we have to do here to help both you and stay on the legal side of what we do. Let us know what you think. This is the second image with colt added I sent. 
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They will not put Colt on it. Have they changed their policy on adding "Colt"? If I recall correctly, I've seen many that they've engraved "Colt." They just won't put the registered "R" on it. John Thomas Yes and I tested this again recently - and they still won't do it. Even if I paid extra they wouldn't do it. Said it would likely get them in trouble, which I can understand. So here's what I just got back for my 1972 603 builds: 
Looks good. They told me a month, and it took a month. The whole transation went smoothly, but I didn't ask for anything too custom..... THey had done this same work before, so they had the digital templates already laid out I'm sure. -Thirtycal |
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Yeah I they showed me that picture and I am not satisifed. Guess I am just a hard sell. I dont like property of us governement and I dont want a hyphen in m16a1 It may not be what you're going for, but for the record a 1972 603 has the hyphen. I would have like the registered trademark symbol... but as I said they won't do that due to copyright issues. Here's an original: 
You might be thinking of the earlier 603. That didn't have a hyphen: 
Yes, I think a better job could be done. The Ident work isn't perfect, but it's pretty close. The scale of the logo, the exact font matching, the kerning (letter spacing), it's all a little off... but unless you're sitting there with both an original and the copy in your hands to do a comparision, it's pretty hard to see these little nitpicky issues. As a 'stand alone', I think Ident's work is a fairly good representation. You might ask Mario at Peice of History Firearms to see if he can do what you want. I've had some AK engraving work done by him and it's top notch. Thirtycal |
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Yeah I they showed me that picture and I am not satisifed. Guess I am just a hard sell. I dont like property of us governement and I dont want a hyphen in m16a1 It may not be what you're going for, but for the record a 1972 603 has the hyphen. I would have like the registered trademark symbol... but as I said they won't do that due to copyright issues. Here's an original: http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x21/clutterbugg/SharedPrivateStuff/1972_m-16a1_original.jpg You might be thinking of the earlier 603. That didn't have a hyphen: http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x21/clutterbugg/SharedPrivateStuff/mk18a10.jpg Yes, I think a better job could be done. The Ident work isn't perfect, but it's pretty close. The scale of the logo, the exact font matching, the kerning (letter spacing), it's all a little off... but unless you're sitting there with both an original and the copy in your hands to do a comparision, it's pretty hard to see these little nitpicky issues. As a 'stand alone', I think Ident's work is a fairly good representation. You might ask Mario at Peice of History Firearms to see if he can do what you want. I've had some AK engraving work done by him and it's top notch. Thirtycal Anybody know when Colt changed their address markings near the selector? |
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I am trying to get close to the Colt export markings. I have seen some really good engraving done on some of your guys retros. I am having trouble with ident marking services getting what I would like on my receiver. Who do you guys recommend? It seems like they dont want to deviate beyond their standard "Property of US Government" engraving. I do not want anything saying Property Of US Government on my weapon. I want something similar to this. http://www.sublimeparadise.com/COLT_14_5_b.jpg Something like this would be ok. http://www.sublimeparadise.com/m16a1.jpg This is what they do for the 601...cant believe you cant get at least this close for your build??? Perhaps you're just pickin nats poop out of pepper???? 
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I am trying to get close to the Colt export markings. I have seen some really good engraving done on some of your guys retros. I am having trouble with ident marking services getting what I would like on my receiver. Who do you guys recommend? It seems like they dont want to deviate beyond their standard "Property of US Government" engraving. I do not want anything saying Property Of US Government on my weapon. I want something similar to this. http://www.sublimeparadise.com/COLT_14_5_b.jpg Something like this would be ok. http://www.sublimeparadise.com/m16a1.jpg This is what they do for the 601...cant believe you cant get at least this close for your build??? Perhaps you're just pickin nats poop out of pepper???? http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1488357/23557693/393364019.jpg That is exactly what mine looks like and I got it back a couple of days ago. |
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Whoa- hold on a minute. We have not stopped engraving faux pony logos. We just have some very specific guidlines that we follow for ATF and trademark reasons. You asked us to replicate serial numbers (NO) and change the font file and make the logo just like the original. I want to help out and I think we get real close but thats the best we can do. Now I have 50 people calling me about their guns. Thanks man.
BTW our lead time is less than two weeks right now- Jason @ Ident |
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I am trying to get close to the Colt export markings. I have seen some really good engraving done on some of your guys retros. I am having trouble with ident marking services getting what I would like on my receiver. Who do you guys recommend? It seems like they dont want to deviate beyond their standard "Property of US Government" engraving. I do not want anything saying Property Of US Government on my weapon. I want something similar to this. http://www.sublimeparadise.com/COLT_14_5_b.jpg Something like this would be ok. http://www.sublimeparadise.com/m16a1.jpg This is what they do for the 601...cant believe you cant get at least this close for your build??? Perhaps you're just pickin nats poop out of pepper???? http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL294/1488357/23557693/393364019.jpg That is exactly what mine looks like and I got it back a couple of days ago. That is that I want... Identmareking does it? What about SBR marking? will they engrave that? |
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Just got my receiver back today, not impressed with the quality of work at all.
Looks like the laser tracked off center & had to be placed back on center for another attempt. I hope it's light enough to be blasted out, but I think I'm going to have a receiver with fudged engraving. 
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Sorry Jason I did not mean to cause any trouble. I did not understand how far you could go. I just assumed you did not go any farther than a modified pony. I am unfamiliar with the law as probably many of us here.
You did not state what you COULD only what you COULD NOT put on the receiver. That is where the confusion lies. I did not know what I could request to be put on the receiver. This link seems a bit helpful. http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/basics/BasicFacts_with_correct_links.pdf |
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That is that I want... Identmareking does it? What about SBR marking? will they engrave that? Yes they can. I've had SBR engraving done by both Ident Marking and Orion. Ident did my AR, Orion did my HK. I prefer the Ident Marking SBR engraving, but both work just fine. |
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Yeah I they showed me that picture and I am not satisifed. Guess I am just a hard sell. I dont like property of us governement and I dont want a hyphen in m16a1 It may not be what you're going for, but for the record a 1972 603 has the hyphen. I would have like the registered trademark symbol... but as I said they won't do that due to copyright issues. Here's an original: http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x21/clutterbugg/SharedPrivateStuff/1972_m-16a1_original.jpg You might be thinking of the earlier 603. That didn't have a hyphen: http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x21/clutterbugg/SharedPrivateStuff/mk18a10.jpg Yes, I think a better job could be done. The Ident work isn't perfect, but it's pretty close. The scale of the logo, the exact font matching, the kerning (letter spacing), it's all a little off... but unless you're sitting there with both an original and the copy in your hands to do a comparision, it's pretty hard to see these little nitpicky issues. As a 'stand alone', I think Ident's work is a fairly good representation. You might ask Mario at Peice of History Firearms to see if he can do what you want. I've had some AK engraving work done by him and it's top notch. Thirtycal I had no idea that there was an M16A1 that wasn't rollmarked "COLT" next to the logo. I love finding out about small differences like that. 
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Quoted: Just got my receiver back today, not impressed with the quality of work at all. Looks like the laser tracked off center & had to be placed back on center for another attempt. I hope it's light enough to be blasted out, but I think I'm going to have a receiver with fudged engraving. That sucks. Sorry to hear. |
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YoungFrankenstien856, post some pics. Since this thread started out as a discussion concerning Ident Marking, when/if you post pics, make sure to clarify your issue is with Orion, not Ident Marking. John Thomas Orion did the work, Tex check you email I also sent a few to different members. Postem if you like as I don't have the capability. |
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Just got my receiver back today, not impressed with the quality of work at all. Looks like the laser tracked off center & had to be placed back on center for another attempt. I hope it's light enough to be blasted out, but I think I'm going to have a receiver with fudged engraving. Just got your riever back today from who??!! ...or, is it whom... 
ETA: Sorry, slow hunt and peck, me. |
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YoungFrankenstien856, post some pics. Since this thread started out as a discussion concerning Ident Marking, when/if you post pics, make sure to clarify your issue is with Orion, not Ident Marking. John Thomas Orion did the work, Tex check you email I also sent a few to different members. Postem if you like as I don't have the capability. I'd like to see those pics as well. I think that if a company produces something, they shouldn't complain is pictures of their work are published on the net. I was considering Orion, but now I'm less than confident. Funny, I always heard good things about them. |
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YoungFrankenstien856, post some pics. Since this thread started out as a discussion concerning Ident Marking, when/if you post pics, make sure to clarify your issue is with Orion, not Ident Marking. John Thomas Orion did the work, Tex check you email I also sent a few to different members. Postem if you like as I don't have the capability. I'd like to see those pics as well. I think that if a company produces something, they shouldn't complain is pictures of their work are published on the net. I was considering Orion, but now I'm less than confident. Funny, I always heard good things about them. I posted the pictures on my User Info page, sorry I don't have a Photo account. |
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YoungFrankenstein, that receiver looks in-the-white, so hopefully the anodizing will cover all of the ghost markings. That is unsatisfactory indeed, though. Hmmmm. Looks anodized to me. You may be right. 
If so, I agree on sending it off to be re-anodized. |
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YoungFrankenstein, that receiver looks in-the-white, so hopefully the anodizing will cover all of the ghost markings. That is unsatisfactory indeed, though. Hmmmm. Looks anodized to me. You may be right.
If so, I agree on sending it off to be re-anodized. I would make Orion pay to have it fixed.I couldn't live with that. |
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The receiver is in "the White", I ordered a McKay A2 lower because my A2 upper was gray.
The engraving was an after thought, of course I now regret sending it. 
I emailed Victor the photos to see if he can blast the ghost markings from the receiver. Ryan at Orion also got the photos but I've not heard back from him. That's $100 worth of engraving that could have been used on a very nice barrel. Live & Learn I guess. |
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Whoa- hold on a minute. We have not stopped engraving faux pony logos. We just have some very specific guidlines that we follow for ATF and trademark reasons. You asked us to replicate serial numbers (NO) and change the font file and make the logo just like the original. I want to help out and I think we get real close but thats the best we can do. Now I have 50 people calling me about their guns. Thanks man. BTW our lead time is less than two weeks right now- Jason @ Ident Jason, please clarify. Are you no longer going to do "Colt" or "AR-15" at all, such as the XM16A1 and model 602, (like you've done in the past), or is it the Colt M-16A1 export that's prohibited? |
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Orion got back to me tonight, here's the email I received.
James, thanks for contacting us on this issue. this is a very mechanical process. what you are seeing there is the guide our engraver uses. the lines that look like multiple attempts is chips caught under it even though we flush it with coolant. once we position the receiver it is never moved until completed. Victor will make those disappear easily. infact steel wool will do the trick but then the raw alum looks even worse then it does now (something that would also disappear with victor). believe it or not the anodizing is that rigid that we dont have this issue with coated receivers. i hope this all makes sense to you. if you have any other questions please feel free to ask. Please make sure to review ALL of the Important information below concerning your order. Feel free to ask if you have any questions or concerns. Our website features a printable order form that will need to be completed and sent with each order. You will find instructions for stripping your firearm as well as available locations for engraving. Our current turn around time is updated weekly at the website as well. Due to our unique business hours all packages must be shipped to Orion Arms via UPS. Thank you, Ryan |
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