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Ordered my first Holosun green dot from a dealer in the U.S. (it was brand new and not available here in Europe).
It took about 5 weeks til it was delivered (that's the normal time it takes to pass the customs).
When it arrived I noticed a technical issue with this sight.
The dealer said: "Returns only within 30 days"- this time was over, he didn't want to help me. The manufacturer said: "Yes, usually we would replace this item in warranty, but we cannot send it to you because we don't have an export license".
They also didn't wanted to help me... because as a chinese manufacturer it would be really easy to bypass ITAR. Simply send the item directly from China factory to Europe and there will not be any troubles with ITAR because this item will never be on U.S. ground.... But like I said, they didn't want to help me.

A friend of mine sent his defective EOTech to the manufacturer in the U.S. When they received the sight they told him that they need a completed form (BIS711?) to re-export it. But no one here knows how to get this form...

So mostly it is really hard to do business with companies in the U.S. although I really like some of their products.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yet we do still have those that don’t / won’t trust EOTech any more after there negative experience or the “scandal”.

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never thought ARFCOM would choose chicom knockoffs ....

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Ah I gotcha - so anything international could cause major delays. Thanks.

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Those that typically have “issues” with their eotechs either used alkaline batteries when they should have been using lithium, or their eotech that shit the bed is a 10 year old 5 series that had known problems (delam, reticle fade, thermal drift), which have allegedly been fixed. I don’t have experience with all the new models, but I can say the EXPS 3-0 is good to go.

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Why is this even a serious consideration? Only one of the two is a combat proven optic that is still in use by America’s elite forces all over the world.

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Since my Department switched to Aimpoint in 2016 we've had more go down than we had Eotech go down when we started using them in in 2005.  The tactical guys are back using EXPS-3 and I'm working on getting them approved for patrol.

We have a mix of M2, Pro, and M4S models (@100 issued) and only the M4S are holding up.

I own a Holosun and use it on my CZ Scorpion.  I T&E'd one for duty use and it did not hold a zero.  Sample size of one.

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Since my Department switched to Aimpoint in 2016 we've had more go down than we had Eotech go down when we started using them in in 2005.  The tactical guys are back using EXPS-3 and I'm working on getting them approved for patrol.

We have a mix of M2, Pro, and M4S models (@100 issued) and only the M4S are holding up.

I own a Holosun and use it on my CZ Scorpion.  I T&E'd one for duty use and it did not hold a zero.  Sample size of one.

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@RobNC
Which model of Holosun and with which mount did you use on which firearms. I am not calling you out by any means. I am very curious in which conditions the Holosun failed. Thanks!

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It was one of the new "military grade" optics with their built in QD mount and was mounted on a 11.5 Barnes Precision patrol rifle.  I don't know if that one is available commercially yet but the pricing was comparable to an Aimpoint M4s or EXPS-2.  There is a 510C this still being evaluated by another instructor that has not had any issues.

Rob

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Aimpoint.
Because Aimpoint.

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I figured you had your mind made up, and were all over the cheap Holosun.

I waited...then I could not resist.

Good luck with your decision, seriously