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Posted: 8/10/2009 11:03:33 AM EDT
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I just installed a EBR from Phase 5 Tactical. Man you talk about nice. I dont know if anyone else is running one of these or not but you should check them out. Seems very well made and fits great.
Here are some pics 
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I don't see the need. Does it allow you to depress the bolt release with your trigger finger (assuming right-handed)? Yes, it does. The "need" is twofold. 1. Faster reloads, especially when running with a Redi-Mag. 2. Faster clearing of double feeds. You can lock the bolt to the rear without taking your hand off fire control. |
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Im curious to see how it works for you. Alot of reports coming back from AARs that these are not doing well. I've heard this too, many people are saying the Phase 5 unit is too heavy. I have one of the bolt on ones that Tango_5 was making/selling and it works perfectly. |
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Im curious to see how it works for you. Alot of reports coming back from AARs that these are not doing well. Probably why the BAD is still in development. I'm thinking of buying one in the near future. The B.A.D. works just fine. The 3-4 I've seen out haven't had one issue. These not so much, so far. |
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Im curious to see how it works for you. Alot of reports coming back from AARs that these are not doing well. Probably why the BAD is still in development. I'm thinking of buying one in the near future. The B.A.D. works just fine. The 3-4 I've seen out haven't had one issue. These not so much, so far. interesting |
| I was running one for a while (it was free to me). It was neat at first, but began to annoy me after a while. It will cause the bolt release to eventially become loose, It sticks out and will snag on things, and its another lever inside the trigger guard. Bad design. Neat idea, but any good shooter will be just as efficient without it. |
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I was running one for a while (it was free to me). It was neat at first, but began to annoy me after a while. It will cause the bolt release to eventially become loose, It sticks out and will snag on things, and its another lever inside the trigger guard. Bad design. Neat idea, but any good shooter will be just as efficient without it. Not in conjuction with a Redi-Mag, they won't. How exaclty did it cause your bolt release to "become loose"? |
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I was running one for a while (it was free to me). It was neat at first, but began to annoy me after a while. It will cause the bolt release to eventially become loose, It sticks out and will snag on things, and its another lever inside the trigger guard. Bad design. Neat idea, but any good shooter will be just as efficient without it. Not in conjuction with a Redi-Mag, they won't. How exaclty did it cause your bolt release to "become loose"? Lots of side to side movement. |
| I've got one of the one piece Phase 5 versions on my AR. I believe the problems were with the bolt on versions being too heavy. Mine has side to side play as well but it's normal. The stock bolt release moves as well but the extended lever exagurates it to where it's noticeable, not a defect though. I run an old school Redimag and this thing is just made for it. I've only put 300 rounds through my rifle at the range with it on with no malfunctions. I'm waiting til our next quarterly qual to run it through the wringer. I bought mine for easier malfunction clearances but faster reloads are a big bonus. Phase 5 is a supporter on LE and offers a LE discount on their products. |
| I can personally attest that they are too heavy for the bolt catch spring during high volume shooting. I had one on my carbine during a magpui class, and took it off during the second day because the added weight was keeping the bolt from locking back when the mag was empty. |
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One of my shooting partners has one. He's used it a couple of times and has decided it's not the tool for him. He offered it to me but I told him I would pass. Don't like it in the trigger well and it's appearance is a little weird for me. My needs just aren't this tactical. |
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To ignore the advantages of an ambi-bolt relase AND ambi-catch is to put your head in the sand.
Do 100% of the shooters need them? Nope. Are there a certain percentage of shooters who would benefit from them? You bet. And while this idea is not exactly new per se, the problems you see with the P5 and other variations that have piggy backed of Magpul's design (patent pending I do believe as well) is that they rushed so quickly to get them to the market without doing enough T&E/R&D whatever, that you see problems listed above. I've been working with a B.A.D. lever for well over a year now, multiple blocks of instruction, several local competitions, and my own practice. Not once have I had a failure to lock to the rear, or a pre-mature lock to the rear. Travis (magpul) definitely put his time into the device to ensure proper functioning. |
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My needs just aren't this tactical.
Your a wise man... most folks don't have anywhere near the skill set or can consistently execute the basics to operate there guns anywhere near a proficient level where they would ever need or benefit from something like this. Your not going to shoot as good as Travis Haley or Chris Costa by owning one of these... |
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So if this one is too heavy, then how many others are ones that are well reviewed? Does Tango_S still make/accept orders? Are these generally made of polymer or metal? This looked great in the videos but as always it can only be great with PRACTICE. I have one of Tango's and it works perfectly. It's machined from aluminum and attaches to the bolt release paddle with a plate and two screws. It's lightweight, probably much lighter than the Phase 5 unit. Mine has worked perfectly through a couple thousand rounds/lots of reloads. |
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Has anyone tried fine tuning one of these yet?
I have one but have yet to get to play with it due to travel for work. My initial thoughts were that something needs to be done to close up the tolerances between the bolt catch and the reciever since the slop is magnified. This slop can also lead to not holding the bolt back at the right time due to excess leverage from the lever. Maybe a stronger spring in conjunction with closing up the tolerances a bit? When Magpul finally releases their finished version I'll pony up for one, but in the meantime, learning the nuts and bolts behind the function and fittament of it seems like a decent way to spend some time. Since I'm a mechanical type I look at it as a challenge to figure out how everything operates together in order to be reliable and effiecient. |
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