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Posted: 1/8/2010 1:55:58 PM EDT
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I need a permattach muzzle device on my incoming 14.5" lmt upper.
I've been thinking of the fsc556, which unfortunately I haven't had a chance to use. It seems to get rave reviews, and my only concern is I can't find any info on backblast to the shooter and noise increase in db vs standard a2 or vortex. I need some input. |
| I recently had one installed to my carbine. I personally love it, the only drawback for me would be the noise increase and the comfort of the shooters around you. They are not TOO bad, but definitely louder than the average muzzle noise. I have not experienced a noticeable amount of back blast either. If you're not going the suppressor route or don't mind the extra noise, I would highly recommend it. |
No suppressor/sbr in MI  or I would have a 11.5 with a can in a heartbeat.
All the ranges around me are fudd-run and wont allow any mag with more than 10rds, so I usually just shoot on my hunting land out of season. Maybe the side-blast will keep the assholes from trying to nab my brass as I shoot 
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I need a permattach muzzle device on my incoming 14.5" lmt upper. I've been thinking of the fsc556, which unfortunately I haven't had a chance to use. It seems to get rave reviews, and my only concern is I can't find any info on backblast to the shooter and noise increase in db vs standard a2 or vortex. I need some input. I wouldnt. I thought it was too loud for others. |
| One of the reasons I switched my A2's and Armalite carbines muzzle brakes to vortex was the compromise of the vortex. Less muzzle signature than A2 (at night) and no noticable difference in dust / debris kicked up when firing from the prone position. I had on 2 occasions in one course when my armalite muzzle brakes concusion was very, very distracting. By this I mean it caused debris to fly into my face and eyes and temporarily distracted me when shooting from tight cover. On one occasion when shooting prone from a loft it knocked an accoustical ceiling tile loose. From prone it kicked up a large dust cloud. I removed both of them and switched to A2's until i discovered the vortex. I have heard the vortex can catch on vegitation but after 2 years of hunting hogs from stands and stalking through heavy brush i have never exprienced this problem. My vote is the vortex. |
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All the ranges around me are fudd-run and wont allow any mag with more than 10rds WTF? Is >10rds illegal, or is it just range policy? Range policy. Doesn't matter if its a rifle or handgun, no more than 10rds in mag, no more than 5rds/min unless your shooting .22 I refuse to pay the dues to belong to it, so the only time I ever go is when I help my dad out with his deer rifle or shoot skeet, and only because he lives a mile from the range. Last time I took my other AR there was a guy who would pick up and pocket my brass after every shot and refused to give it back, the rangemaster said he didn't see it so he couldn't do anything. I haven't been back since. |
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PWS Todd's Tiny One, DNTC, and FSC556 all have the same blast chamber, thus all three compensators have the same recoil reduction, produce the same amount of noise, blast, etc.
I've been meaning to do a review on the FSC556 and FSC556 for the NT4 for several months. I'm running a FSC556 on my SWAT carbine. You may find these two reviews helpful: 
03designgroup | Primary Weapons System Todd's Tiny One Compensator 
(Todd's Tiny One is literally a FSC556 with the flash reducing vortex looking tines cut off) 
03designgroup | Primary Weapons System (PWS) Custom DNTC Compensator
Hope this helps |
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Those reviews pretty much confirm my thinking that it is a great attachment. It seems like most reviews say they are not obnoxiously loud like other brakes.
I don't do a whole lot of night shooting, and anything with enough flash hiding to keep it out of my optics at dusk/night is going to be good enough. Everyone with a vortex/phantom says they got it because the fcs is too loud, but I can't find any real data on db difference between the two. Other than noise/blast to shooters to your sides, is there any disadvantage of the fsc, not including less flash hiding than a vortex? |
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I would nevr use a FSC556, but thats because I like the guys I shoot with. Get a Vortex and pin it, much better flash supressor. I know the vortex is a better flash hider, I just can't fathom any situation I would be in where I would need that additional flash hiding vs the muzzle brake aspect of the 556. I'm pretty quick with follow up shots already, but the 50-80% muzzle rise decrease of the 556 is awfully tempting |
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I would nevr use a FSC556, but thats because I like the guys I shoot with. Get a Vortex and pin it, much better flash supressor. I know the vortex is a better flash hider, I just can't fathom any situation I would be in where I would need that additional flash hiding vs the muzzle brake aspect of the 556. I'm pretty quick with follow up shots already, but the 50-80% muzzle rise decrease of the 556 is awfully tempting Some time if you go camping, make it a point to shoot at night, the difference in person is eye opening. I've shot a carbine with a FSC and with Vortex. I could not tell the diff in muzzel rise; that's just honestly on my part. I know guys who run comp guns in 3 gun matches can (I don't run a huge tube on my shot gun like they do either). Shooting next to some one with a FSC sucks ass. Your gun, but I'm not shooting next to ya if you have one! 
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| I love my FSC556. The noise and blast is increased, but hey, guns are loud. It's no worse than some guy setting up next to you at the range with any hunting rifle with a brake on it. The reduction in muzzle rise is significant and noticeable. Also, as a flash suppressor it does what a flash suppressor is supposed to do, that is keep the flash from your eyes when you shoot. If you want something that totally eliminates the flash for some reason (and really, I doubt many of us at all have a real reason we need something with zero flash) then get the vortex. If you want something that will give you more control over the rifle get the FSC. |
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back blast to the shooter, or side blast to people on either side? There are no indoor ranges that allow rifles around me, and like I said, I almost never shoot with anyone else. So side blast really isn't a big deal to me. Both. Some people are just more sensitive to some things. There is increased noise for the shooter, but I don't find it uncomfortable. WIth proper hearing protection it's not a problem. I've shot rifles that were far more uncomfortable than my AR with the FSC on it. Both of my ARs have brakes on them, and the FSC is the more tame of the brakes, so I'm used to them at this point. When I shot the FSC for the first time I could definitely tell there was more noise, but like I said, it wasn't a problem. |
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I tried the FSC556 over the summer on my 16 inch Larue carbine and like how it handles. Being in CT you can't have a flash hider, so this is my compromise to get around the law. Last night, I cut off the muzzle break on my 20 inch Rock River A4 and pinned the FSC556 in it's place. I don't think I'll be disappointed. It reduces muzzle flip and reduces flash.
I have not shot prone with the FSC556 on and I have no input on that shooting style. |
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I tried the FSC556 over the summer on my 16 inch Larue carbine and like how it handles. Being in CT you can't have a flash hider, so this is my compromise to get around the law. Last night, I cut off the muzzle break on my 20 inch Rock River A4 and pinned the FSC556 in it's place. I don't think I'll be disappointed. It reduces muzzle flip and reduces flash. I have not shot prone with the FSC556 on and I have no input on that shooting style. It depends on what you're shooting on. If you're on grass or whatever it's no problem at all. If you're shooting in dry dirt, especially fine, powdery dirt then it raises a cloud. To be fair though, a normal flash suppressor will raise a cloud too. One place that it's really noticeable is urban prone. The FSC will toss dirt/gravel onto you. I find it amusing actually. |
What the hell is with all this "courtesy to the shooter next to you" bull shit?? I mean you're at a freakin' shooting range for cryin' out loud!! I have an FSC556 on one of my rifles, and have been standing next to it while others were shooting it, and sure it's louder than other muzzle devices, but not nearly as loud as the guy shooting the 7mm Remington mag, 30-06, black powder .50 cal, etc., etc., etc. I really can't believe that someone would avoid purchasing this device solely because they don't want to irritate the guy next to them. I can think of several things that annoy me more at a shooting range other than the sound of gun shots Put on your eyes and ears and deal with it people.
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What the hell is with all this "courtesy to the shooter next to you" bull shit?? I mean you're at a freakin' shooting range for cryin' out loud!! I have an FSC556 on one of my rifles, and have been standing next to it while others were shooting it, and sure it's louder than other muzzle devices, but not nearly as loud as the guy shooting the 7mm Remington mag, 30-06, black powder .50 cal, etc., etc., etc. I really can't believe that someone would avoid purchasing this device solely because they don't want to irritate the guy next to them. I can think of several things that annoy me more at a shooting range other than the sound of gun shots Put on your eyes and ears and deal with it people.The sound of gunshots has nothing to do with it but if you have ever been next to someone shooting a brake at an indoor range you know that you get hit with such a huge blast wave, even with port walls, that you have to stop what you are doing and wait. At outdoor ranges it does not make that much difference. |
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I love my FSC I am running one on a 10.5'' SBR Little to no recoil. And as far as noise none of my shooting buddies have complained we shoot outside and use hearing protection. +1 I don't worry about other people, they don't like the noise then move. It's about weapon performance, not hurting your Emo friends ears. 
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In reference to it bothering other shooters.
Pic from a LMS Defense 2 day carbine course. Not the guy to my left is running my SWAT gun with a FSC556 on it. It wasn't bothersome at all. And this is the 2nd or 3rd class where the guy directly to my right or left was using a FSC556. 
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