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Posted: 2/15/2016 4:33:10 PM EDT
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First, to the mods, hope I can post this here. If not please move it to a more appropriate forum.
I'm looking at optics for my first AR build and up to this point my experience with scopes has been with an old Colt 4x scope on my Colt Gov't Carbine A2. I am currently looking at the VCOG as I think I want something variable. This is to be a versatile gun. Good for 3 gun / carbine shoots, personal defense, SHTF head for the hills survival hunting. My real question though has to do with what optic may work best for me as I do not have equal vision in both eyes. I essentially have no depth perception. I'm right eye dominant with a corrected 20/20 with a left eye that is in the 20/60 range with really weak central vision. It's called amblyopia (if anyone else has that). So to use the both eyes open method with red dots does not work well with me. Even with the VCOG, which they sort of bill as being CQ due to the 1x power, I don't think my field of vision will be very wide. I'm thinking whatever scope I get, I may need an RMR on top as so far I tend to look over the top of the scope for better field of vision in CQ. Any input from those that know more than I about optics and sight pictures as to what may work best for someone with unequal vision would be greatly appreciated. |
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Maybe a medium powered scope up top and a 45 degree offset very small red dot? Have you considered that? Offset irons or rds are becoming very popular.
Putting the dot at 45 degrees works better for me with it at the same height above the rail as the scope. That way I can simply rotate my wrist to the left without moving my dominant eye and I transition to the dot on the same optical plane as the scope. My cheek stays on the stock and I maintain the same cheek weld. Since your right eye works well with the scope, having the dot on the right side at the same height would permit you to use your dominant stong eye for the dot as well without having to lift you cheek. Just a thought. |
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Do you shoot a magnified optic with you left eye closed?
If so then whatever the manufacturer advertises will be your field of view. For the vcog it's somewhere between 95' to 16' (depending on magnification) at 100 yard. This means at full magnification at 100 yard someone could put two stakes in the ground 16 feet apart and you could barely see both of them. |
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Do you shoot a magnified optic with you left eye closed? If so then whatever the manufacturer advertises will be your field of view. I probably do both. I don't have to, nor do I make an effort to close the left eye, but don't really pay attention to it as it's only good for some peripheral vision to my left. I'm not so much concerned with distances out past, say, 50 yrds. Its the CQ stuff I'm concerned about, mostly with a scope such as a lit reticle VCOG on 1x or an ACOG where the Bindon method is supposed to work. The RMR on a 45 degree cant may be worth a try, instead of mounting it on top of a scope. Someone else mentioned that to me also. |
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I probably do both. I don't have to, nor do I make an effort to close the left eye, but don't really pay attention to it as it's only good for some peripheral vision to my left. I'm not so much concerned with distances out past, say, 50 yrds. Its the CQ stuff I'm concerned about, mostly with a scope such as a lit reticle VCOG on 1x or an ACOG where the Bindon method is supposed to work. The RMR on a 45 degree cant may be worth a try, instead of mounting it on top of a scope. Someone else mentioned that to me also. Quoted:
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Do you shoot a magnified optic with you left eye closed? If so then whatever the manufacturer advertises will be your field of view. I probably do both. I don't have to, nor do I make an effort to close the left eye, but don't really pay attention to it as it's only good for some peripheral vision to my left. I'm not so much concerned with distances out past, say, 50 yrds. Its the CQ stuff I'm concerned about, mostly with a scope such as a lit reticle VCOG on 1x or an ACOG where the Bindon method is supposed to work. The RMR on a 45 degree cant may be worth a try, instead of mounting it on top of a scope. Someone else mentioned that to me also. So at 50 yards your field of view will be even less through one eye with a magnified optic. |
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I probably do both. I don't have to, nor do I make an effort to close the left eye, but don't really pay attention to it as it's only good for some peripheral vision to my left. I'm not so much concerned with distances out past, say, 50 yrds. Its the CQ stuff I'm concerned about, mostly with a scope such as a lit reticle VCOG on 1x or an ACOG where the Bindon method is supposed to work. The RMR on a 45 degree cant may be worth a try, instead of mounting it on top of a scope. Someone else meentioned that to me also. Quoted:
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Do you shoot a magnified optic with you left eye closed? If so then whatever the manufacturer advertises will be your field of view. I probably do both. I don't have to, nor do I make an effort to close the left eye, but don't really pay attention to it as it's only good for some peripheral vision to my left. I'm not so much concerned with distances out past, say, 50 yrds. Its the CQ stuff I'm concerned about, mostly with a scope such as a lit reticle VCOG on 1x or an ACOG where the Bindon method is supposed to work. The RMR on a 45 degree cant may be worth a try, instead of mounting it on top of a scope. Someone else meentioned that to me also. The Leupold Deltapoint Pro might be a better choice than RMR. It weighs less than 2 ounces (less mount) but has a larger, much clearer glass window and is surrounded by spring steel. It is motion activated, so nothing to push or rotate to turn it on. There is a manual off for transport. Mate it with the scope of your choice. I like the RMR, but found the window too small and the lens image to be a bit distorted. It is rugged, though. If you elect to go 1-6, consider the Kahles K16i in comparison to the VCOG. Here is how I set mine up in a QD mount and QD scope, so I can remove the scope and move the rds to the top rail when indoors for HD. 
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You may have a better idea if you just run into a shop and look through different optics. Its gonna be shots in the dark with suggestions from us here. When it comes to optics everyone has their preference. Personally, I would recommend an EOtech as I think they have the best field of view (Bindon or not) for the operator. I have one and I love it.
If you have a cabelas / gander mountain / Bass pro shop near you, they would be obliged to show you what they have. Ive done the same at Bass pro. |
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Quoted:The Leupold Deltapoint Pro might be a better choice than RMR. It weighs less than 2 ounces (less mount) but has a larger, much clearer glass window and is surrounded by spring steel. It is motion activated, so nothing to push or rotate to turn it on.
Thanks, I like the idea of the motion activated and that is basically the type of set up I'm thinking I will need to try. Thanks for the input. |
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You may have a better idea if you just run into a shop and look through different optics. Its gonna be shots in the dark with suggestions from us here. When it comes to optics everyone has their preference. Roger that, do have a Bass Pro nearby. Should probably do that. I understand the preference thing, coming from motorcycling. In that arena there are a ton of choices for gear and just as many preferences. :) I guess I'm still learning nomenclature when it comes to sights. I stated RMR, but I guess that may not be what I meant. Isn't an RMR just a reflex sight, such as the leupold above, or an Eotech? |
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Roger that, do have a Bass Pro nearby. Should probably do that. I understand the preference thing, coming from motorcycling. In that arena there are a ton of choices for gear and just as many preferences. :) I guess I'm still learning nomenclature when it comes to sights. I stated RMR, but I guess that may not be what I meant. Isn't an RMR just a reflex sight, such as the leupold above, or an Eotech? Quoted:
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You may have a better idea if you just run into a shop and look through different optics. Its gonna be shots in the dark with suggestions from us here. When it comes to optics everyone has their preference. Roger that, do have a Bass Pro nearby. Should probably do that. I understand the preference thing, coming from motorcycling. In that arena there are a ton of choices for gear and just as many preferences. :) I guess I'm still learning nomenclature when it comes to sights. I stated RMR, but I guess that may not be what I meant. Isn't an RMR just a reflex sight, such as the leupold above, or an Eotech? RMR is a trademarked by Trijicon. But yea it stands for Ruggedized Miniature Reflex. If you do go with trijicon I'd suggest staying away from the dual illuminated models. I have a RM06 on a pistol that's great. Depending on your use on a rifle, which you mentioned within 50 yards I'd say the 3.25moa dot would also be a good choice. If it was your primary optic and you were going for a few hundred yards I'd recommend the 1moa RM09. I like having the ability to manually adjust the intensity plus there is an auto mode and I like the ability to turn it off if I want. Don't be too frightened off by the price. I got mine from opticsplanet for $450 something by calling and asking for price matching. While not inexpensive it's a far cry from MSRP. |
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