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Posted: 10/12/2015 10:56:09 PM EDT
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I am on a budget and have done tons of reading in many forums and it all seems to be opinions and not first hand experience so I'm asking. I'm new here so sorry if this is in wrong place or if it aggravates anyone this is being brought up but I need experience answer and not opinion.
So I'm on a budget about $600 and I've narrowed it down to 4 choices - Smith & Wesson m&p 15 sport $580 - Ruger AR 556 $580 - Bushmaster Carbon 15 used. 500 rounds shot only problem is feed with cheap mags. Pmags have no issues. M4 feed ramps, original stock and forend (not currently on gun), also magpul moe stock (on gun), quad rails, red dot sight, flat top receiver, low pro gas block, 30 rd mag $450 - PSA complete upper and lower $570-620 depending on what set up. They currently have discounts going on. No warranty though. Only reason considering going with PSA build is bc of the 1 in 7 twist rate. S&W and BM have 1 in 9 and Ruger 1 in 8. Ik I will have to buy a mag which is cheap and I have plenty of scopes, red dots, holographics to equip any of them with. Will consider any or possible other options but you really need to sell me on it. This is driving me crazy. Might be easier if I had experience with AR15 already. Thanks everyone! |
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I'll say Ruger, based on experience, I have 4 Ruger revolvers, 5 pistols and a variety of Ruger AR parts. It has a compromise twist that allows you to shoot a wider Variety of ammunition, but as said it doesn't matter much until shooting at longer ranges.
Second choice would be the S&W. Buying a "Name" Brand will carry a lot more weight if you ever go to trade or sell it I would not be afraid to buy a PSA Kit. You would be happy to shoot something YOU assembled. They are decent quality. If you buy a brand that has had some turmoil in the past your new rifle will be haunted by the misdeeds of the lesser products of the past even though everything is fine now. Big Brand or build it yourself. |
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Aero Precision AC-15 @ $625
Complete rifle with rear sight and mag. Its a bit more than the M&P Sport, but worth it really. |
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That aero precision just caught my eye. Reviews seem great to. Any other opinions on it? Is there front rails under the cover? Main reason I want 1 in 7 is because I don't want to be kicking myself in the ass for not getting one mainly bc I will be reloading my own ammo and will want to use heavier grain now and then. Most of time I will probably be using a 60gr
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| I'd say go with an Aero Precision. They offer that entry level complete now in the price range you are looking for. I have not had one problem with any parts I have run from them and haven't heard anything negative from other enthusiast's that run their uppers/ lowers. Give them a look, and if you decide to up your budget a little they have some railed uppers as well |
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60gr isn't really that heavy, but the 1:7 will work with just about anything you can load in the mag.
I recommended the Aero as it uses the same receivers they sell separately (the lower is a Gen-2), it has a C158 bolt, and the barrel is made by Ballistic Advantage. Its well priced for what you get. |
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Aero Precision AC-15 @ $625 Complete rifle with rear sight and mag. Its a bit more than the M&P Sport, but worth it really. That's a pretty darn good deal in my opinion. I've heard nothing but good things with regards to Aero Precision and their products thus far. As far as the choices you have listed, I would most likely suggest the M&P first if you do not mind not having the forward assist and dust cover then, I'd go with the PSA next. Not too long ago, there were several reports of issues with the Rugers and the main thing I can remember were loose barrels and loose FSP's. |
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I'm going to go against the grain and say get one of DSG's Armalites they have on clearance for $625.
It's not used, it's not made of carbon, it has stuff like a dust cover, and Armalite has a lifetime warranty. It's a 1/9 twist like most of the other guns you posted but that will stabilize ~60 grain just fine, and it comes with a pretty nice two stage trigger and a hard case. |
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Stop overthinking and buy one. 
I would personally build one as its very easy. With what you have posted, I would pick the S/W. I agree with this (just buy one and get to the range) Don't worry about the twist . Starting out mostly with plain ball ammo (cheaper stuff ) 1:9 is just fine I myself like Bushmaster but not much wrong with any of the other stuff mentioned |
| I'm really thinking about going with the aero now. I didn't even know they were a company. I thought I would of seen them at some point in my research. I wish it had a quad rail on the front but no big deal I'm sure I'll be upgrading whatever I decide. Great suggestion, thank you! I was pretty dead set on one of the ones I listed but now I think I'm going to go with the aero. Have been watching some review videos of it and haven't heard anything bad yet. |
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You can not go wrong with a PSA premium rifle. I second this. If you go with the PSA Premium products, you cannot go wrong. These are the best they have to offer and they rival some of the more expensive name ARs. The PSA Premium upper assemblies have barrels made by FN right there in South Carolina. They are almost in each other's backyard. You can piece together a very nice PSA Premium AR for your budget. |
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Does the .223 wylde also shoot 5.56? I'm pretty sure it does but, I've had a few friends that have had issues with extraction with their Wylde chambered stainless steel barrels. It rarely happens when actually firing the rifle but, when they go to extract a live round (showing clear during a class or match) or trying to perform a press check. ETA: This is using factory bulk 5.56 ammo or their own reloads that do not have the same issue in any of their other rifles. I've personally never been interested in the Wylde chamber because I have never had the need for it with the past few rifles I've bought or built but, I'd like to read more about it and it's merits before I could honestly give my personal opinions on it. What I stated above was just what I've witnessed first hand. |
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Quoted: I am on a budget and have done tons of reading in many forums and it all seems to be opinions and not first hand experience so I'm asking. I'm new here so sorry if this is in wrong place or if it aggravates anyone this is being brought up but I need experience answer and not opinion. So I'm on a budget about $600 and I've narrowed it down to 4 choices - Smith & Wesson m&p 15 sport $580 - Ruger AR 556 $580 - Bushmaster Carbon 15 used. 500 rounds shot only problem is feed with cheap mags. Pmags have no issues. M4 feed ramps, original stock and forend (not currently on gun), also magpul moe stock (on gun), quad rails, red dot sight, flat top receiver, low pro gas block, 30 rd mag $450 - PSA complete upper and lower $570-620 depending on what set up. They currently have discounts going on. No warranty though. Only reason considering going with PSA build is bc of the 1 in 7 twist rate. S&W and BM have 1 in 9 and Ruger 1 in 8. Ik I will have to buy a mag which is cheap and I have plenty of scopes, red dots, holographics to equip any of them with. Will consider any or possible other options but you really need to sell me on it. This is driving me crazy. Might be easier if I had experience with AR15 already. Thanks everyone! I'd go with the PSA. What makes you think PSA won't fix it if there's a manufacture defect? They'll work with you to get it fixed. |
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Does the .223 wylde also shoot 5.56? Per Wilson Combat: ".223 Wylde is a hybrid .223/5.56 chamber designed by Bill Wylde to yield the accuracy advantages of the match .223 Remington commercial chambering but without pressure or reliability failures when using high velocity 5.56 NATO spec ammunition. The .223 Wylde achieves better accuracy by having a chamber throat that is tighter than 5.56 but will still function reliably with military 5.56 ammunition as the case dimensions are the same." Per Bill Wylde.......... As posted by Bill Wylde on THR: Posted By: Bill Wylde Date: Thursday, 13 November 2003, at 8:46 a.m. In Response To: Re: .223 Wylde The case dimensions of the Wylde reamer are that of one of the NATO prints. Not a thing tight about it. As I recall, there were two NATO prints in use. I don't recall the print number used, but do have it in old records somewhere. Throating was about the only change. The decision was made to make the freebore diameter .2240" as a good bullet seal. That done, excess freebore made little difference to accuracy. One of the reasons the magazine length 69's shot so well in the chamber. It so happened that the 80 grain Sierra seated to the lands was about ideal at .2470" OAL. Simple luck.....All of it. The initial reamer(designed in 1984)was mainly geared toward Canadian 5.56 ball, as I was experimenting with their issue ball for competitive purposes. This operation was slow in getting off the ground, and really didn't start happening until about 1990. The use of 5.56 NATO ball in Canada was a short lived affair. Handloads were allowed in about 1994. Just prior to this time the AR's were gaining great strength in the U.S. The military finally got involved. The rest is history. You might ask how the the 62 grain 5.56 ball worked for Canadian LR prone shooting to 1,000 yds? It was supersonic in barrels of 28", and longer. It also was very competitive with the 147 grain 7.62 ball in use there at the time. The wind drift differential at long range (7.62/5.56) was about 15% in favor of the 7.62. Those days were very interesting. M4CAR |
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Nice deal there, but I would go with one of the the QPQ 4150 barrels instead. OP, nothing wrong with a .223 Wylde, but its not a huge deal either way. |
| Well aero sells a complete ar for 999.00 that has the same upper and pretty sure the same lower or close to it so the way I see it is if I build it I get a 260$ discount. Does anyone have experience with the .223 wylde? It just a different rifle chamber correct? Not a different bullet and casing right? Kinda leaning toward the build now. I have till Friday to figure it out so until then research, reviews, and most important everyone in these forums! Keep the replies coming! I really appreciate everyone taking there time to answer. I didn't think I would get this many replies. |
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Here you go, a complete PSA rifle with all Magpul accessories and a Vortex red dot sight.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/catalog/product/view/id/22489/s/psa-16in-m4-moe-rifle-with-vortex-optic-blem/ This one won't last too long... 
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Well aero sells a complete ar for 999.00 that has the same upper and pretty sure the same lower or close to it so the way I see it is if I build it I get a 260$ discount. Does anyone have experience with the .223 wylde? It just a different rifle chamber correct? Not a different bullet and casing right? Kinda leaning toward the build now. I have till Friday to figure it out so until then research, reviews, and most important everyone in these forums! Keep the replies coming! I really appreciate everyone taking there time to answer. I didn't think I would get this many replies. The Wylde chamber works fine, I have two ARP barrels that are .223 Wylde and they function 100% with anything I feed them. (yes, its just a slightly tighter chamber, not a different ammo, it works with 223 and 5.56) I wouldn't worry too much about it, if you are not shooting for accuracy then it will be of no real benefit to have it. Remember that with the Aero uppers posted above, you will need to add sights unless you want just and optic. OP...what will be your primary use for this rifle? |
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Well aero sells a complete ar for 999.00 that has the same upper and pretty sure the same lower or close to it so the way I see it is if I build it I get a 260$ discount. Does anyone have experience with the .223 wylde? It just a different rifle chamber correct? Not a different bullet and casing right? Kinda leaning toward the build now. I have till Friday to figure it out so until then research, reviews, and most important everyone in these forums! Keep the replies coming! I really appreciate everyone taking there time to answer. I didn't think I would get this many replies. .223 Wylde will handle both 5.56 and .223. If you prefer 5.56, this is what you seek: M4E1 Complete Upper, 16" 5.56 Mid-Length Barrel, EQ-15 Handguard - Anodized Black $365.00 Schuyler 5.56 Aero Upper Combine that with the Rifle Completion kit for $275.00 Lower Then you've got a pretty nice Aero Precision rifle with a Mapul grip and stock for $640.00 plus shipping. All you need is BUIS.... Magpul front sight $37.95 Link Magpul rear sight $57.95 Link Schuyler also has a PA red dot with base and flip caps for $87.00 Link (I'm not associated with Aero or Schuyler.) |
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If your planning on changing things on a new bought rifle, I would just build one. That way you can have it the way you want, yes it can get a little more expensive that way, but again its exactly the way you want it. I would definitely look at PSA, especially their premium stuff.
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Will be using for home defense, plinking short range and long. If SHTF I want a reliable gun. I wish I could hunt in pa with semi auto , hell if SHTF we probably won't even be able to use them for zombies without getting a fine and gun rights taken away  .... I have plenty of guns but this is my first at. I plan putting scope on top and doing 45 degree foldable iron sights and 45 degree holographic. I already have a 2 holographics I bought for use on shotguns and 4 different scopes so all I'll have to buy is the iron sights and 45 degree rails and a mag, Pmag gen 3 only 12$ each or 10 for 99 so not that big of deal. I can scope or holographic until I get the iron sights and everything and then I will train to use each one effectively with the ar. Just bc I'm a good shot with other guns doesn't mean I naturally will be with an ar. Practice makes perfect.
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| I know no one has replied in awhile but just in case someone was wondering what I went with I thought I would post it. I decided to go with stevil1300 suggestion of the 5.56 aero upper from Schuyler instead of the wylde aero upper due to research of people saying that higher grain bullets would not fit properly so the 5.56 would be the better choice for me. I also went with the aero lower kit stevil1300 also suggested. I did tons of research on aero before making the decision since I never heard of them and what I found out is they make many receivers for undisclosed companies and instead of putting aero logo on it they put the other companies logo so no one would ever know it came from aero. That was ultimately the detail that made me make this decision along with all the reviews on aero products. Everything should be here this week. Thanks to everyone who replied it was a huge help! |
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I know no one has replied in awhile but just in case someone was wondering what I went with I thought I would post it. I decided to go with stevil1300 suggestion of the 5.56 aero upper from Schuyler instead of the wylde aero upper due to research of people saying that higher grain bullets would not fit properly so the 5.56 would be the better choice for me. I also went with the aero lower kit stevil1300 also suggested. I did tons of research on aero before making the decision since I never heard of them and what I found out is they make many receivers for undisclosed companies and instead of putting aero logo on it they put the other companies logo so no one would ever know it came from aero. That was ultimately the detail that made me make this decision along with all the reviews on aero products. Everything should be here this week. Thanks to everyone who replied it was a huge help! You'll be happy with Aero. Mine is a damn nice upper, and there's no logo on the upper thankfully. Are you sure you're not talking about forge marks? Never seen an Aero logo'd upper I don't think. |
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You'll be happy with Aero. Mine is a damn nice upper, and there's no logo on the upper thankfully. Are you sure you're not talking about forge marks? Never seen an Aero logo'd upper I don't think. No the upper doesn't have any logo I don't think. I was talking about the lower. How companies such as Surplus ammo & arms and PSA buy there lowers from aero but with there company logo. I figured why not buy with the actual manufacturer logo and give them credit for what they made instead of the other companies like the ones mentioned taking credit for something they didn't even make. But I guess there's a lot of companies that don't make one part on the gun. Thank god for the Schuyler October Sale or this would of cost me $800 with no mag or exact same complete rifle for $1000 but instead it came to $672 with mag and shipping. $72 over budget but I have a feeling it was well worth. Can't wait till it gets here! |
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No the upper doesn't have any logo I don't think. I was talking about the lower. How companies such as Surplus ammo & arms and PSA buy there lowers from aero but with there company logo. I figured why not buy with the actual manufacturer logo and give them credit for what they made instead of the other companies like the ones mentioned taking credit for something they didn't even make. But I guess there's a lot of companies that don't make one part on the gun. Thank god for the Schuyler October Sale or this would of cost me $800 with no mag or exact same complete rifle for $1000 but instead it came to $672 with mag and shipping. $72 over budget but I have a feeling it was well worth. Can't wait till it gets here! Quoted:
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You'll be happy with Aero. Mine is a damn nice upper, and there's no logo on the upper thankfully. Are you sure you're not talking about forge marks? Never seen an Aero logo'd upper I don't think. No the upper doesn't have any logo I don't think. I was talking about the lower. How companies such as Surplus ammo & arms and PSA buy there lowers from aero but with there company logo. I figured why not buy with the actual manufacturer logo and give them credit for what they made instead of the other companies like the ones mentioned taking credit for something they didn't even make. But I guess there's a lot of companies that don't make one part on the gun. Thank god for the Schuyler October Sale or this would of cost me $800 with no mag or exact same complete rifle for $1000 but instead it came to $672 with mag and shipping. $72 over budget but I have a feeling it was well worth. Can't wait till it gets here!  You'll be happy with AERO. I have a few of their uppers and a couple lowers.
(I think they recently bought Ballistic Advantage so their barrels are solid as well.) Let us know when you get it and post some pics. |
| FedEx delivered my aero parts yesterday! I was surprised they delivered to a business on Saturday! They even sent me an extra mag free for a thank you for my order! I'm very impressed with the company. I know you will all laugh at me but it took me 2 hrs to assemble the lower lol I had a dinner break so more like 1 1/2 hrs. The biggest problem I had was with the bolt catch pin and the very bad YouTube video not explaining what pieces were being used. I didn't have an ar punch so after about 20 mins I finally got the pin in.....but after rewinding the video I barely could see the guy slip the spring and little pin in before putting the catch on. So then I had to get the damn pin back out. This was a mess. It took me another 45 mins to get the pin out. I was using a small metal rod the size of the hole so every time I would get the pin out the rod would be stuck. I found a smaller rod that I put against the bolt catch pin and then a punch against the rod but the rod was to small and kept flying out after a few hits. So I used the bigger rod and went half way then ripped out the rod with a pair of pliers then used smaller rod to tap it the rest of the way out. My only other issue was the front bolt that holds upper on, that damn spring and tiny pin, lost it once and a big roller magnet found that. Ended up getting that on by putting an allen wrench through the hole and pressing pin and spring in with flat head and slipping allen wrench over then talking the pin that locks the upper and pushing on allen wrench, that took 3 tries. I will definitely be buying an AR punch but I need to figure out an easier way to get the front pin and spring in. The gun was everything I dreamed of and more! Will post pics soon. Right now I'm trying to figure out which of the optics I have I want to put on. |
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I second this. If you go with the PSA Premium products, you cannot go wrong. These are the best they have to offer and they rival some of the more expensive name ARs. The PSA Premium upper assemblies have barrels made by FN right there in South Carolina. They are almost in each other's backyard. You can piece together a very nice PSA Premium AR for your budget. Quoted:
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You can not go wrong with a PSA premium rifle. I second this. If you go with the PSA Premium products, you cannot go wrong. These are the best they have to offer and they rival some of the more expensive name ARs. The PSA Premium upper assemblies have barrels made by FN right there in South Carolina. They are almost in each other's backyard. You can piece together a very nice PSA Premium AR for your budget. This x10000. Love PSA |
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FedEx delivered my aero parts yesterday! I was surprised they delivered to a business on Saturday! They even sent me an extra mag free for a thank you for my order! I'm very impressed with the company. I know you will all laugh at me but it took me 2 hrs to assemble the lower lol I had a dinner break so more like 1 1/2 hrs. The biggest problem I had was with the bolt catch pin and the very bad YouTube video not explaining what pieces were being used. I didn't have an ar punch so after about 20 mins I finally got the pin in.....but after rewinding the video I barely could see the guy slip the spring and little pin in before putting the catch on. So then I had to get the damn pin back out. This was a mess. It took me another 45 mins to get the pin out. I was using a small metal rod the size of the hole so every time I would get the pin out the rod would be stuck. I found a smaller rod that I put against the bolt catch pin and then a punch against the rod but the rod was to small and kept flying out after a few hits. So I used the bigger rod and went half way then ripped out the rod with a pair of pliers then used smaller rod to tap it the rest of the way out. My only other issue was the front bolt that holds upper on, that damn spring and tiny pin, lost it once and a big roller magnet found that. Ended up getting that on by putting an allen wrench through the hole and pressing pin and spring in with flat head and slipping allen wrench over then talking the pin that locks the upper and pushing on allen wrench, that took 3 tries. I will definitely be buying an AR punch but I need to figure out an easier way to get the front pin and spring in. The gun was everything I dreamed of and more! Will post pics soon. Right now I'm trying to figure out which of the optics I have I want to put on. Took me 2 hours to build my first lower as well with just a punch, hammer and pliers. The 2nd lower with the correct tools and a bench vice took about 20 mins. Hope you enjoy it! |
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FedEx delivered my aero parts yesterday! I was surprised they delivered to a business on Saturday! They even sent me an extra mag free for a thank you for my order! I'm very impressed with the company. I know you will all laugh at me but it took me 2 hrs to assemble the lower lol I had a dinner break so more like 1 1/2 hrs. The biggest problem I had was with the bolt catch pin and the very bad YouTube video not explaining what pieces were being used. I didn't have an ar punch so after about 20 mins I finally got the pin in.....but after rewinding the video I barely could see the guy slip the spring and little pin in before putting the catch on. So then I had to get the damn pin back out. This was a mess. It took me another 45 mins to get the pin out. I was using a small metal rod the size of the hole so every time I would get the pin out the rod would be stuck. I found a smaller rod that I put against the bolt catch pin and then a punch against the rod but the rod was to small and kept flying out after a few hits. So I used the bigger rod and went half way then ripped out the rod with a pair of pliers then used smaller rod to tap it the rest of the way out. My only other issue was the front bolt that holds upper on, that damn spring and tiny pin, lost it once and a big roller magnet found that. Ended up getting that on by putting an allen wrench through the hole and pressing pin and spring in with flat head and slipping allen wrench over then talking the pin that locks the upper and pushing on allen wrench, that took 3 tries. I will definitely be buying an AR punch but I need to figure out an easier way to get the front pin and spring in. The gun was everything I dreamed of and more! Will post pics soon. Right now I'm trying to figure out which of the optics I have I want to put on. Awsome. Great to hear you like it. **WARNING** They multiply. **WARNING** 
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