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Posted: 1/17/2014 6:09:43 AM EDT
| Hello all, my name is Eric. This is my first post on this forum. I am 18 and want to buy my first person rifle. My father and I own quite a few rifles and a ar but I want to buy my own. I just wanted to run my idea past people who know more than I do. So here it goes. I want to buy the dpms Oracle and the magpul mbus sights since it's a flat top. Then down the road I'll buy an eotech. My father has the 512 with magnifier and I love it. So is that a decent setup or are there similar priced better a r's. Thanks for any help in my decision |
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Quoted: Hello all, my name is Eric. This is my first post on this forum. I am 18 and want to buy my first person rifle. My father and I own quite a few rifles and a ar but I want to buy my own. I just wanted to run my idea past people who know more than I do. So here it goes. I want to buy the dpms Oracle and the magpul mbus sights since it's a flat top. Then down the road I'll buy an eotech. My father has the 512 with magnifier and I love it. So is that a decent setup or are there similar priced better a r's. Thanks for any help in my decision http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/518340_DPMS_Oracle_5_56____Good_or_No_.html |
| The DPMS Oracle has a railed gas block that is not the same height as the flat top upper. So, a Magpul MBUS front sight will sit too low on the block. For a gas block (unless it's rail height) you need to get a gas block front sight. They are longer and adjust for the lower gas block height. You'll also want to stay away from a polymer front sight on a gas block. Why it may not melt into a gooey mess, it is not designed to withstand the heat of a gas block. |
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Hello all, my name is Eric. This is my first post on this forum. I am 18 and want to buy my first person rifle. My father and I own quite a few rifles and a ar but I want to buy my own. I just wanted to run my idea past people who know more than I do. So here it goes. I want to buy the dpms Oracle and the magpul mbus sights since it's a flat top. Then down the road I'll buy an eotech. My father has the 512 with magnifier and I love it. So is that a decent setup or are there similar priced better a r's. Thanks for any help in my decision http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/518340_DPMS_Oracle_5_56____Good_or_No_.html Eh, my brother's Oracle has put thousands of rounds down range flawlessly. My brother chose the same route as you are planning optics and BUIS wise. There's definitely better options out there, however. If you want to keep your rifle itself cheap, yet still be a great quality rifle, check in over at Palmetto State Armory. |
| My STRONG suggestion is save up for a bit longer and then get a Colt 6920. Should be readily available to you. Keep working on the fundamentals of shooting in the meantime. The Colt will serve you VERY well, be adaptable, customizable, and reliable. You can use it as a base to learn the AR15 platform and further refine your shooting skills. |
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My STRONG suggestion is save up for a bit longer and then get a Colt 6920. Should be readily available to you. Keep working on the fundamentals of shooting in the meantime. The Colt will serve you VERY well, be adaptable, customizable, and reliable. You can use it as a base to learn the AR15 platform and further refine your shooting skills. I agree. For a little bit more $$$ you will have a rifle that does not have a debatable reputation for dependability. It will also likely to be much easier to sell should you ever choose to do so in the future. |
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Around how much does the colt run? I am not dead set on the dpms, just wanted to spend no more than like 800. But if nothing is decent in that price range I'll wait and save more. I also can get the bushmaster carbon 15 for around 750 but I don't like the lower not being aluminum. My father has the patrolman carbine and he loves it. It's never had a failure and is accurate as we can shoot.
Edit: just looking on buds gun shop I see a lot more choices in the 800-1000 range. What's the general consensus on the M&P's? That a fairly subjective question I suppose but it can't hurt to ask. I think I got the wrong idea across from my first post. I am not looking to buy a cheap ar just to buy one. I want the best bang for the buck while still trying to keep it cheap. |
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Around how much does the colt run? I am not dead set on the dpms, just wanted to spend no more than like 800. But if nothing is decent in that price range I'll wait and save more. I also can get the bushmaster carbon 15 for around 750 but I don't like the lower not being aluminum. My father has the patrolman carbine and he loves it. It's never had a failure and is accurate as we can shoot. No. Just no. ETA: Just save/work up another $200 and go get a Colt 6920. You can (and will) thank me later. |
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That's what I figured. The colt actually isn't too bad if I can pick it up for less than 1000. Compared to what you are considering, even at $1100 the Colt is a no-brainer choice. Learn from us who have already blazed this trail. Buy once, cry once. Yes, waiting longer to get an AR is the more difficult route, but the pay-off in a high quality AR (versus the borderline junk you have voiced) at the end is more than worth it. And, yes, a LaRue is a fantastic AR. But its much more expensive and more refined. Get a basic AR, shoot the piss out of it, and then figure out what you like and dislike. At that point you can intelligently decide where to spend big bucks in a high dollar AR. |
| I also read reviews on the m&p 105r. It seemed to get good reviews. That one is about the same as the colt and has some of the magpul stuff on it already. Is the similar priced M&P's of a good quality as well? I am also tempted to get the same as my father. I forget the exact model number but he paid 1250 a few years ago |
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I also read reviews on the m&p 105r. It seemed to get good reviews. That one is about the same as the colt and has some of the magpul stuff on it already. Is the similar priced M&P's of a good quality as well? I am also tempted to get the same as my father. I forget the exact model number but he paid 1250 a few years ago I have no firsthand experience with the M&P. I will leave others to weigh in on that. However, I stand by my statements and can say without reservation that you will not go wrong with a 6920 as a starter AR. |
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I'd recommend a $700 PSA as a nice cheap rifle. If you are going to spend $1000 on a Colt, you might as well get a $1200 Daniel Defense with a nice rail. I'm still waiting on my Larue since Dec 2012, and the PSA works for now. I've had a DD v5. They are nice... I also had a DPMS Oracle and it was fine. I just did not want to invest alot of money in a cheap rifle so I got the DD that already had a rail.
Check Slickguns.com for deals. |
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That the issue that keeps plaguing my mind. If I'm already spending 1000 why not 1200 or 1500. But I simply can't afford that kind of cash now. This question is why you don't chase that Rabbit. $1000 is a reasonable limit on a nice AR. No need to continue to reach further. The only reason I suggested you increase your budget is because, IMO, you get much more bang-for-your-buck with a 6920 at $1000 than with an $800 DPMS or Carbon-15. I don't think you get the same large bump in value by spending $1200. |
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I'm a recent new AR enthusist myself. I purchased a used Bushmaster M4 for $900. Just a simple meat and potatoes rifle. Could not be happier. My honest opinion is buy whatever you want. Don't get caught up in the more expensive is better. Many advanced users will suggest spending big coin on higher end rifles, which is ok if you have big money to spend, but most all new shooters do not. Bottom line a $1700+ rifle is not going to help you shoot better than a $900 riflle. I'm strictly a civillian amatuer shooter and I purchase exactly for that intended purpose. Sometimes high end purchses make practical sense, and sometimes you're simply wasting your hard earned cash on top tier weapons and accesories that you don't need. The single best investment I made beyond my initial AR was a Magpul forend grip (much better ergo's with my grip) and a Vortex Strikefire red dot sight (I have older dwindling eyesight, and struggle with accuracy through the iron sights) . The Strikefire was only $135 off Ebay. Good luck, no matter what the AR's are a fantastic rifle ! |
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Buds has the DD v7 for $1182 shipped cash price right now.
Yeah grabagun has the 6920 LE for $955 + 6 shipping. Buy that and don't think twice unless you are wanting to pay a little more for a rifle with a rail system. http://grabagun.com/colt-m4-carbine-5-56-16-blk.html |
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Finally, you ask about building.... HOORAAHHH
First, watch ALL of these, a few times. You'll probably be shocked at just how easy a build is. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11004/learn/ For your $800 you can put together a quality piece with "upgrades" already part of the price (believe me you'll be upgrading stuff anyway). You can do it at your own pace, a little at a time, and it doens't seem to hurt as much financially that way. The nicer the parts the more expensive they are, but the nicer piece you end up with. Best of all it teaches you the workings of the AR, a good knowledge base to have in case you run into problems. You will end up knowing more about the AR they you will about any 3 other of your guns combined. You can impress your friends, and convince them they can do it too! |
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There's a gun show coming in march right up the road from me. It's a good one with mostly modern firearms. So I'm going to see what kind of deals I can find there and if nothing stands out I'll most likely either end up with the colt or a bushmaster.
But, I am also considering building one more by the hour. So that is a highly likely chance as well. I am going to research what the best parts are and where to buy them. I've had my father's apart so many times and it's pretty simple Edit: I am wondering what the general consensus is on where buy parts. |
| Just a small update. There was gun show near me this weekend and I went to look at the ar's. I looked at a stag and I loved it. It was I think a model 3. It was really nice. The trigger was nice and crisp too. So naturally I started read up on the stags and they also seem to get great reviews. So I added the stag to my list now too. |
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Ok guys, I've essentially made up my mind. I am going with the stag. unless something else crops up i think that it is a excellent rifle for what i would need (range every once and a while). I looked at building one but I know that id end up spending money on stuff i don't need and then id have no money for ammo and optics. Its a flat top as well so i am going to buy a decent set of sights for it while i save for either an eotech or acog. i talked to the guys at the show as well as spent all of last night looking at reviews of the stags and i found only a few bad ones out of tons of good ones. I hope you guys don't feel like I've just ignored all your comments. Because i haven't, i steered clear of the dpms (by the way i see all the negative reviews on them now that i looked). I know i need to find sights that have a taller front to compensate to the lower gas block. The ones stag offers (made by diamondhead) are nice but at close to $200 for a set I'm not a buyer. So i looked at the troy industries, midway and a couple others. The gun comes with the diamondhead forend which i like. So hopefully my next tread will be one with pictures!
So again, thank you to every one who commented in this thread. And i hope that you guys don't fell like i blew you all off. |
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Quoted: Ok guys, I've essentially made up my mind. I am going with the stag. unless something else crops up i think that it is a excellent rifle for what i would need (range every once and a while). I looked at building one but I know that id end up spending money on stuff i don't need and then id have no money for ammo and optics. Its a flat top as well so i am going to buy a decent set of sights for it while i save for either an eotech or acog. i talked to the guys at the show as well as spent all of last night looking at reviews of the stags and i found only a few bad ones out of tons of good ones. I hope you guys don't feel like I've just ignored all your comments. Because i haven't, i steered clear of the dpms (by the way i see all the negative reviews on them now that i looked). I know i need to find sights that have a taller front to compensate to the lower gas block. The ones stag offers (made by diamondhead) are nice but at close to $200 for a set I'm not a buyer. So i looked at the troy industries, midway and a couple others. The gun comes with the diamondhead forend which i like. So hopefully my next tread will be one with pictures! So again, thank you to every one who commented in this thread. And i hope that you guys don't fell like i blew you all off. |
| I think the 6920 is awesome and you can't go wrong but I would get a bravo company. Right about the same price with a lifetime warranty as opposed to 1 year. Plus you can get midlength at no additional cost. Colt has no midlength option and probably never will. |
| It's not set in stone so I'm still thinking. But the only thing I'd change is the buttstock (to a magpul ctr). I like the forend so that would stay. I looked at the psa and the website showed a lot was out of stock. Supposedly stag as first class customer service which means a lot too. But I'm still thinking. |
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