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Posted: 5/15/2012 1:02:52 PM EDT
| Newbie here. Fired my DPMS for first time today. Needed to dial it in at 25yds, then moved to 50. Holographic sight was not much use after that. Shot really nice and on target, no complaints. Would appreciate input on sighting for 100 yds. |
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This is good info, cheers.
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I would sight in at 50 yds, and it will be within 2 inches out to 225 yards. I agree. http://4-riders.com/pics/AR/m193%20from%2016%20inch%20barrel%2025%2050%20and%20100%20zero%2002.jpg |
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What does distance have to do with seeing the reticle? A lot if you have shitty eyesight like I do. I completely understand what the man is trying to say. I can't use red-dots or holographics at all at any kind of distance due to poor sight, and really bad astigmatism. The further you go the the smaller your target gets, and the fuzzier and bigger the reticle seems to get. Yes, I am aware how to use electronic sights and I know you are supposed to "look through" them. But if your eyesight was like mine you would understand. Op, I think I understand what you meant. Cheap sights like that aren't very good. That is intensified when you are trying to be precise at range. At least it is for me. |
| thanks, thats is what im doing a poor job of saying. so do you think a better sight would help, or should I just avoid them due to my eyesight. this is why I was reluctant to spend alot. I hoping to shoot a friends AR which has a nice EOTech mounted. so we will see. thanks for the feedback. |
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thanks, thats is what im doing a poor job of saying. so do you think a better sight would help, or should I just avoid them due to my eyesight. this is why I was reluctant to spend alot. I hoping to shoot a friends AR which has a nice EOTech mounted. so we will see. thanks for the feedback. Well sir, to be honest I wouldn't feel right telling you what YOU should do. I can only comment on what works for me. My suggestion to you is to try them before you buy if you can. If your friend will let you check out his EOTech then go for it. You may get your answers one way or another that way. I will tell you this though,...for me personally.....the EoTech is the worst. It's a great reticle and I tried so hard to like it. But they are not "smooth". Real EoTech's are slightly "pixelated" is the best way I can describe them. They mess with my vision more than a standard dot type sight, like Aimpoint. And even the Aimpoint's dot blurs and morphs from a dot, to a comma, to a dot, to a square, etc, etc....to my eyes. I can do slightly better if I take my contacts out and use my glasses, but not much. I finally gave up the good fight on electronic sights. As much as I like the concept, and I understand they have huge benefits, they simply do not work for me. I actually can hold tighter groups with standard iron sights. Not as fast of course, but much more accurate. Until someone develops a sight that magically fixes my problem (can't afford Lasik at the moment) I will continue doing what I have been doing. And that is using iron sights and standard scopes. I have decided that for me personally, a 1-4 or 2-7 scope suits me much better. As always, your mileage may vary. Congrats on the new rifle!!!! 
Oh' yeah,......pics,––- or it didn't happen' I think is the term to be used in these situations. |
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thanks, thats is what im doing a poor job of saying. so do you think a better sight would help, or should I just avoid them due to my eyesight. this is why I was reluctant to spend alot. I hoping to shoot a friends AR which has a nice EOTech mounted. so we will see. thanks for the feedback. Well sir, to be honest I wouldn't feel right telling you what YOU should do. I can only comment on what works for me. My suggestion to you is to try them before you buy if you can. If your friend will let you check out his EOTech then go for it. You may get your answers one way or another that way. I will tell you this though,...for me personally.....the EoTech is the worst. It's a great reticle and I tried so hard to like it. But they are not "smooth". Real EoTech's are slightly "pixelated" is the best way I can describe them. They mess with my vision more than a standard dot type sight, like Aimpoint. And even the Aimpoint's dot blurs and morphs from a dot, to a comma, to a dot, to a square, etc, etc....to my eyes. I can do slightly better if I take my contacts out and use my glasses, but not much. I finally gave up the good fight on electronic sights. As much as I like the concept, and I understand they have huge benefits, they simply do not work for me. I actually can hold tighter groups with standard iron sights. Not as fast of course, but much more accurate. Until someone develops a sight that magically fixes my problem (can't afford Lasik at the moment) I will continue doing what I have been doing. And that is using iron sights and standard scopes. I have decided that for me personally, a 1-4 or 2-7 scope suits me much better. As always, your mileage may vary. Congrats on the new rifle!!!!
Oh' yeah,......pics,––- or it didn't happen' I think is the term to be used in these situations. im the same way with my astigmatism except when i wear my contact i get a good dot on the aimpoint and eotech but i like eotech better so i went with it. if i dont wear a contact my eyes make both sights look like a comma. the dot i mean |
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I started out my whole AR experience the same as you with a really nice eotech exps2-0 by itself and found that i could really only shoot up to about 75 yards...... I did it because I thought it was the right thing to do becuase I was using an AR platform,,,,, the military does it so why shouldn't I,,,,, and last I thought it was ultra tacticool...... at about 100 yards the eotech dot really started to cover up the whole 4" to 5" target (even tho they say it is a 1 moa dot),,,, and I would say I have better than average eye sight..... I then purchased a magnifier and it somewhat helped with the whole 80yard max thing,,,,, but quickly realized that it wasn't the best option as even the most respectable red dot magnifiers have really really really crappy eye relief. Magnifier crappy eye relief might be ok for a 223, but not for the kick of a 308. I've always told my friends and even emailed eotech, the first manufacture to come out with a minimum 3" eye relief magnifier will get my business........ best to date on a magnifier eye relief is the new primary arms magnifier with 2.8", but that is still too little. Actually found myself using my rifle that had a 4-16 scope as a spotting scope to see where I was hitting with my eotech. Finally got to the point where I asked myself what the heck am I doing this for??? Why don't I just put a scope on my AR???? The whole red dot / eotech 80yard max percise target practice without a magnifier,,,, extra magnifier weight if you want that option,,,,, and really crappy magnifier eye relief really killed the whole experience for me so I go 100% scope set up now. Now I can see where I hit on target the second I take the shot and is much much more precise. The whole red dot / eotech with magnifier set up option is dead to me now. Ended up selling my whole eotech set up.
Just IMO, I would really figure out what you are doing. Anything ultra fast close combat type target practice / hunting from 0 to 75yards, then eotech is wonderful and perfect and is still pushing it @ 75yards IMO..... Any type of precise target practice / hunting from 0 to 100yards, then a nice 1-4 scope would be your best set up..... Target / Hunting from 0 to 200 yards plus, then I personally would get a nice vortex 2.5 to 10 scope..... maybe even more power if it was a .308. Personally, i have a nikon m-223 3x12 with nikoplex on my rock river arms tactical opterator 2 .223,,, and my .308 dpms recon will have the new nikon m-308 4x16 with nikoplex the second it hits the shelves. Big fan of scopes and would never look back again. Would also look into the vortex / nightforce if you can afford it. They make some really nice 1 to 4 and 1 to 6 power scopes. I would look at your max possible range you might shoot @ 50% of the time you are using the rifle and figure out which optics you need from there. If you are shooting over 80yards, then I personally would ditch the whole red dot / eotech idea. My own personal experience. Elfy 
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What does distance have to do with seeing the reticle? A lot if you have shitty eyesight like I do. I completely understand what the man is trying to say. I can't use red-dots or holographics at all at any kind of distance due to poor sight, and really bad astigmatism. The further you go the the smaller your target gets, and the fuzzier and bigger the reticle seems to get. Yes, I am aware how to use electronic sights and I know you are supposed to "look through" them. But if your eyesight was like mine you would understand. Op, I think I understand what you meant. Cheap sights like that aren't very good. That is intensified when you are trying to be precise at range. At least it is for me. i have issues because of astigmatism.. i get multiple red dots on red dot scopes. i prefer 1-4x scope with adjustable eye piece focus which gives me clear sight picture. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What does distance have to do with seeing the reticle? A lot if you have shitty eyesight like I do. I completely understand what the man is trying to say. I can't use red-dots or holographics at all at any kind of distance due to poor sight, and really bad astigmatism. The further you go the the smaller your target gets, and the fuzzier and bigger the reticle seems to get. Yes, I am aware how to use electronic sights and I know you are supposed to "look through" them. But if your eyesight was like mine you would understand. Op, I think I understand what you meant. Cheap sights like that aren't very good. That is intensified when you are trying to be precise at range. At least it is for me. i have issues because of astigmatism.. i get multiple red dots on red dot scopes. i prefer 1-4x scope with adjustable eye piece focus which gives me clear sight picture. I get that, but don't you have the same problem when shooting at 25 yards or 200? |
| RDS and holographic optics are not made for precision shooting at distance. They are made fast target aquisition and shooting that is why the military uses them. They are effective on larger ie. man size targets at pretty good distances. When we qualified with the M16A2 we shot at 500 yards, at that distance the front sight post was twice as wide as the black on the target. If that can be used to make good hits I'm sure a RDS would be pretty efftective too. I have only shot my Aimpoints at 300yds because I do not have access to a longer range. |
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NOW I understand. Sighted in a Bushmaster Varminter today. I was dead on at 25 yds, moved out to 100 thinking it would be close, and I was 10" high. Very confused. I dialed it down to 1.5" high at 100 which should be good out to 200. The problem with the whole "25 meter Zero" is that ANY slight difference from ON at 25 is compounded with range. Yes, it works to put the POI at 100m at about 5-6 inches depending on load and a 300m zero, BUT a very slight difference at 25 can easily make the POI at 100 to be something like 10" as you note. I am fortunate to have a range where I can shoot at any distance to 1000 meters and if we want to zero at any given range WE SHOOT THE RIFLE AT THAT RANGE. I've found way too many "off" POI's at intended zero ranges when using the "25 meter Zero". Anyway, I think the guys with vision problems could be best served with a conventional scope. In fact, I have no interest in any of the holographic scopes and such because all of our shooting requires precision I don't think the holographic sights are capable of, and at low power, the conventional scopes are very fast as well. Just my $.02. |
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Well this is basically a vision problem as I find difficulty picking up the reticle at any range, worse farther out, astigmitism is the suspect, even tried friends EOTech, same problem
. Looking for input as to a combo good for cantalopes close and targets up to 100-200 if possible. |
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Well this is basically a vision problem as I find difficulty picking up the reticle at any range, worse farther out, astigmitism is the suspect, even tried friends EOTech, same problem . Looking for input as to a combo good for cantalopes close and targets up to 100-200 if possible. A nice scope in the 1-4 or 2-7 power range with a reticle that's not busy will fit your bill nicely. |
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Well this is basically a vision problem as I find difficulty picking up the reticle at any range, worse farther out, astigmitism is the suspect, even tried friends EOTech, same problem . Looking for input as to a combo good for cantalopes close and targets up to 100-200 if possible. Conventional scope? |
| http://s1148.photobucket.com/albums/o577/Ed_Istre/Im thinking so, im checking out the info on this sight now, very helpful. Thanks for all you input. |
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