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Posted: 12/2/2006 9:14:50 AM EDT
| I have two ARs, one with a fixed and the other with an adjustable buttstock. I like the adjustable buttstock, but it seems clear to me that you can more easily damage the buffer tube with rough use and put the rifle out of commission when compared to a fixed buttstock. Any comments? |
That is certainly true in theory, but I've used collapsible stocks during many an infantry mission and they've held up fine. I'd say they are less sturdy, but still sturdy enough. |
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You may get a little more support for the buffer tube from the stock on the fixed stock versions. But on the other hand the buffer tube is longer on them as well so it potentially has more leverage to break things if it suffers a lateral impact toward the end of the butt. So overall I don't think the shorter buffer tube on a telescoping stock is going to be all that more prone to breakage. |
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You are going to damage the stock before you damage the extension. Unfortunately I know this firsthand. It also will depend on what stock you are using and how you are using it. Did you buttstroke Haji in the head or are you trying to breach the sorority house security door. A M4 stock is going to be plenty strong for 99% of the owners out there. |
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I haven't had to buttstroke Haji, but I am targeting the sorority house. Thanks for the info. It does sound as though the fixed stock has the edge in durability, but that the M4 should be sufficient. I suppose under a SHTF scenario, you might fare better with the fixed buttstock. Any comments? |
I think the adjustable length of pull far outweighs any durability advantage a fixed stock has, in any situation. Of course, if a fixed stock happens to fit you well, might as well use it. |
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Back in the mid 70s I was stationed with the 82nd Abn at Ft Bragg. Our unit was out supporting the Special Forces qualification course as aggressors against the SF students. While guarding the water tower in the town of Robbins, NC late at night I became the target of some local thugs. At least 3 of them in a car. I only had blanks and no commo with the rest of the unit. I'll be honest, I was in fear of my life. I ended up using my M16 like a baseball bat. Broke out their windsheild, but broke the stock on my rifle. Only the plastic stock, not the buffer extension. Local law enforcement got involved when my relief finally showed up. Simple matter to repair the stock. My adrneline was up and I was trying to hit a home run and I can attest to the strength of the extension. PS, I know it was over 30 years ago, but if you bastards happen to see this, I hope I hurt you bad! |
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Tried that 1st after I was hit in the back with a mostly full can of beer as they roared by. For their 2nd pass, I had taken the blank adapter off and fired once into the driver's side window. It was the 3rd pass that I did the baseball thing. Crouched behind a small bush on the passenger side of the road. When they slowed down, home run time. They never made a 4th trip. After I was relieved at the end of my guard, the local sheriff was called. After I gave a descritpion of the car, he said he was pretty sure who it was. I never heard anything back. However, the area around Robbins, NC has been host to the "Robinsage" exercises for years. I did 3 as a young infantryman and years later in the early 90's while back at Bragg as a helicopter pilot, we were still sending folks from the unit as support. An SF student was killed several years back. He approached a local LEO in a "treathening" manner. The LEO didn't know he was part of Robinsage and shot the student. Overall, I enjoyed the trips as they were educational. Picked up some good tips working with and against the SF guys. |
Their faces must of been priceless when you opened up on them with blanks. |
One student tried to disarm a sheriff's deputy while the other was going for his M16. Both were shot, one killed. LEO is always apprised of Robin Sage activities well in advance, but the two candidates overstepped their bounds and did not follow procedure. |
Robin Sage is still going strong and we doulbed up on classes for the next two years. I'm now a instructor for the final SF phase (Robin Sage) before they earn their Green Beret. There is an instructor with the students anytime they now move outside the G base. I've been running around the world with a M4 since 95' and never had or heard of any problems with the stregth of the stock. CD |
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