[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Forward grip/AR pistol

Posted: 11/25/2007 2:24:31 PM EDT

I posted this article on the pistol section but want to have as many people as possible look at it. I was searching through the web last night to see if the ATF's position on this had changed, and this is what I've found. I couldn't find any more info about it, maybe someone can help myself and everyone else out with this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_Forward_Grip

A Vertical Forward Grip (somewhat self-defining) is a vertical grip that is designed to attach to a firearm for the forward hand (or "off hand"). These aid in the maneuverability of the firearm, since the natural angle of a persons outstretched hand is more oriented to grasping objects at a vertical angle, rather than a horizontal one perpendicular to the body.

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o It is unlawful to attach a vertical forward grip to a handgun without proper authorization from the ATF. Attaching a vertical forward grip to a handgun makes it an AOW (Any Other Weapon, as defined by the 1934 National Firearms Act).

The ATF's position on this is that attaching a vertical forward grip is unlawful. But in has been proven that their position on this is wrong.

In the case of US v. Davis, the court ruled that a pistol with a vertical fore grip is not an Any Other Weapon because it’s still a pistol:

25. Title 26, United States Code Section 5845(e) defines “any other weapon” as:
… any weapon or device capable of being concealed from which
a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosion
… Such term shall not include a pistol or revolver having a
rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made or
intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of
firing fixed ammunition.
26. A “pistol” is defined in Section 5845 as
A weapon originally designed, made and intended to fire a
projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one
hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of or
permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock
designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and
extending below the line of the bore(s). 27 CFR 178.11
(emphasis added).
27. Even after being modified with grips, the pistols are still “pistols” as defined above and not “any other weapon” as defined by 26 U.S.C. section 5845(e).

Posted: 11/25/2007 2:26:10 PM EDT

[#1]

the definition of AOW in itself rules out the VFG on a pistol making it an AOW, but that hasn't stopped them yet.

Posted: 11/25/2007 2:56:37 PM EDT

[#2]

ATF insists on inventing their own definitions. They catch you doing it, they'll probably prosecute.

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