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Posted: 6/18/2014 7:23:09 AM EDT
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Hi
I have a little conundrum on my hands... 
I am trying to find a comfortable and useful way to attach a sling - I am using a BFG Vickers with M4. My problem is: I tried to heed some suggestions and have my sling attached as far back as possible (for that I use a slot on the stock - no problems there), and for the front attachment point, I have a DD QD rail attachment, which I tried to place as far away from the front sight, as possible. Again - I tried it because it was suggested as a good configuration. I can also see a lot of value in the front mounting point being as close to the receiver as possible - if I do that, the sling doesn't interfere with my grip when I shoulder the rifle. However - and here is my problem - I am using angled front grip - when I place my left hand there, the QD rail mount digs into my hand, it is really bothering me. I place the mount on the left side rail. I tried to move the AFG as far forward as my rail allows, but it is a carbine rail and it doesn't really help. So, I am back to moving the front mount all the way forward to the FSB. My question - is the AFG configuration the reason for such issue? Would it be different if I used a vertical grip instead? It's kinda tough to visualize, so I am asking from those who prefer to keep their front attachment point as far back as you can - what is your way to manage it and prevent the sling mount from interfering with your grip? I actually started considering moving the attachment point to the bottom rail, right behind the AFG, although I would like to keep it on the left rail. I hope it all make sense? 
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My front sling is positioned to
1) maximize stability when used as a brace 2) a comfortable position when hanging hands free and 3) a comfortable grip with my left hand (i.e. not digging into it) For stability, i've found a spot that mid-rear on the handguard seems to work better than a spot at the absolute rear. It probably is going to depend on how your rifle is adjusted and what your body position is like. I'd say do some experimentation and go with what seems to work best for you. I've got a longer handguard and grip the rifle farther forward than you might on a shorter barrel so YMMV. |
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My front sling is positioned to 1) maximize stability when used as a brace 2) a comfortable position when hanging hands free and 3) a comfortable grip with my left hand (i.e. not digging into it) For stability, i've found a spot that mid-rear on the handguard seems to work better than a spot at the absolute rear. It probably is going to depend on how your rifle is adjusted and what your body position is like. I'd say do some experimentation and go with what seems to work best for you. I've got a longer handguard and grip the rifle farther forward than you might on a shorter barrel so YMMV. Yes I am sure you are right about the length of the handguard. I simply don't have any "real estate" there to move the mount away from the AFG. I also perused our photo thread on top of this page and it appears that any combination of the "rear front attachment" comes with either vertical grip or longer handguard that allows good spacial separation of the mount and the AFG. I might be rethinking my set up after all. |
Do you have an pics on what you're hand/arm looks like when you're in firing position? Because I was reading your description, and the way I grip the handguard with my support hand is basically like an AFG and I don't have any issue with the sling mount point affected my support arm or hand.
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I like a typical 2 point set up (front of handguard, but on the side, and rear of buttstock, also on the side). I'm used to that anyway and never had any issues with room even in all my years of shotgun hunting (and all I used was pump shotguns!). You get used to it, plus it lets you use it as a stabilizing brace AND cinches up snug when slung on back. I know it's not super tactical ultra competition 3gun low drag cqb... but it's worked for riflemen since day one.
I know it's not trendy, but don't dismiss the "original" 2 point sling set up!
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I like a typical 2 point set up (front of handguard, but on the side, and rear of buttstock, also on the side). I'm used to that anyway and never had any issues with room even in all my years of shotgun hunting (and all I used was pump shotguns!). You get used to it, plus it lets you use it as a stabilizing brace AND cinches up snug when slung on back. I know it's not super tactical ultra competition 3gun low drag cqb... but it's worked for riflemen since day one. I know it's not trendy, but don't dismiss the "original" 2 point sling set up! Oh yes - - that's what I have now, exactly the same configuration! I tried to move the attachment point back, but, as I described, it didn't work out and I am back to the "classic". I won't do any competition and/or tactical, so I think I will be just fine. The key, as you said, is to get used to it - somehow, when I shoulder the carbine, I feel the "presence" of the sling under my supporting hand, and it kinda bothers me - but I understand that it is the way the 2-point attachment works. What's interesting, I really welcome such sling position (and support) when I shoot my Mosins in standing position - but they have simple canvas or leather slings, and the Vickers has all the "bells and whistles", buckles, padding, etc - just feels differently, I guess.
Thanks for your input - everybody! I can't post a picture now - but judging from the above photograph, your handguard is much longer. I can't even place my supporting hand that far forward, I have a factory front sight there. |
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I can't post a picture now - but judging from the above photograph, your handguard is much longer. I can't even place my supporting hand that far forward, I have a factory front sight there. Oh, I'm guessing you have a roughly 7" handguard? That would make a huge difference. I'm running a 13" on a 16" barrel. |
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Oh yes - - that's what I have now, exactly the same configuration! I tried to move the attachment point back, but, as I described, it didn't work out and I am back to the "classic". I won't do any competition and/or tactical, so I think I will be just fine. The key, as you said, is to get used to it - somehow, when I shoulder the carbine, I feel the "presence" of the sling under my supporting hand, and it kinda bothers me - but I understand that it is the way the 2-point attachment works. What's interesting, I really welcome such sling position (and support) when I shoot my Mosins in standing position - but they have simple canvas or leather slings, and the Vickers has all the "bells and whistles", buckles, padding, etc - just feels differently, I guess.
Thanks for your input - everybody! I can't post a picture now - but judging from the above photograph, your handguard is much longer. I can't even place my supporting hand that far forward, I have a factory front sight there. Quoted:
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I like a typical 2 point set up (front of handguard, but on the side, and rear of buttstock, also on the side). I'm used to that anyway and never had any issues with room even in all my years of shotgun hunting (and all I used was pump shotguns!). You get used to it, plus it lets you use it as a stabilizing brace AND cinches up snug when slung on back. I know it's not super tactical ultra competition 3gun low drag cqb... but it's worked for riflemen since day one. I know it's not trendy, but don't dismiss the "original" 2 point sling set up! Oh yes - - that's what I have now, exactly the same configuration! I tried to move the attachment point back, but, as I described, it didn't work out and I am back to the "classic". I won't do any competition and/or tactical, so I think I will be just fine. The key, as you said, is to get used to it - somehow, when I shoulder the carbine, I feel the "presence" of the sling under my supporting hand, and it kinda bothers me - but I understand that it is the way the 2-point attachment works. What's interesting, I really welcome such sling position (and support) when I shoot my Mosins in standing position - but they have simple canvas or leather slings, and the Vickers has all the "bells and whistles", buckles, padding, etc - just feels differently, I guess.
Thanks for your input - everybody! I can't post a picture now - but judging from the above photograph, your handguard is much longer. I can't even place my supporting hand that far forward, I have a factory front sight there. Yes, for AR's I run Middies. The front of handguard sling position on middies is perfect for me. The most I'll do, if I think I may be shooting lefty at any time, is switch the rear point to RE endplate, but prefer it at rear of stock. The front stays where it is. Pic of my set up in "possible lefty mode": 
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| My advice would be to run a Proctor sling. Run the front all the way out at the end of the rail near your front sight base or whatever you have you can use the sling for leverage that way say for shooting around corners etc plus when u sling the gun it will be less likely to tilt on you and stay in place. Have fun. |
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