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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Geissele trigger. Which one? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/24/2013 8:24:39 AM EDT
| I have never handled an ar15 with anything other than a standard run of the mill trigger. I want something for a range/home defense/zombie killer rifle. I see the SSA-E mentioned alot, but looking at their site, there might be other options. I want something that will help me with my speed. Is the SG3 too short and fast? Thanks for any opinions. |
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If you're just looking for a good home defense trigger from Geisselle, go with the SSA. It's their least expensive option, but I believe their chart lists it as one of two of their semi-auto triggers that they recommend for "duty use." If you were only looking for a range trigger, you may want to entertain some of their other options, which I believe have lower weight trigger pulls. ETA: This is their trigger summary sheet. It gives a good rundown of the various aspects of each. http://geissele.com/pdfs/TriggerSummarySheet.pdf |
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+1 for the SSA trigger. I have one in my rifle and the trigger pull seems perfect for home defense, duty, or everyday shooting. I'm not sure if I would go any lighter to avoid any accidental dischargers. Is the SSA a significant improvement over a stock gi trigger? |
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Quoted: Is the SSA a significant improvement over a stock gi trigger? Quoted: Quoted: +1 for the SSA trigger. I have one in my rifle and the trigger pull seems perfect for home defense, duty, or everyday shooting. I'm not sure if I would go any lighter to avoid any accidental dischargers. Is the SSA a significant improvement over a stock gi trigger? Oh yeah.
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+1 for the SSA trigger. I have one in my rifle and the trigger pull seems perfect for home defense, duty, or everyday shooting. I'm not sure if I would go any lighter to avoid any accidental dischargers. Is the SSA a significant improvement over a stock gi trigger? |
| Just my .02 but if your just using it for home defense do something like a ALG ACT trigger, or a spikes battle trigger. Good crisp, smooth triggers for the money. Seems pointless to spend almost $200 for a trigger that may never get used. Don't say it's more reliable blah blah blah. If its a mix between a home defense gun and a range gun then for sure get a geissele or a timney. Just my .02 |
| SSA is your best option most likely. I have an SSA and an SSA-E. The -E is noticeably lighter, there is almost no weight in the first stage and then the second breaks super clean and light. The regular SSA is a very clean and amazing trigger but has enough weight to it where shaky muscles wouldn't set it off. The -E is in my precision rig. The -E would work just fine home defense as well, but I would recommend the regular SSA for a home defense gun. |
| I keep two ARs. One short barrel and one 16". At this point, I haven't gotten into long range shooting and if I did, it would probably be with something other than .223. So, this 16" gun will be a do it all gun basically. Range, home defense, wild dog, opossum, etc. etc. Basically anything that needs war declared on it would be on the receiving end of this gun. Thanks for the advice so far, it is a big help. |
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+1 for the SSA trigger. I have one in my rifle and the trigger pull seems perfect for home defense, duty, or everyday shooting. I'm not sure if I would go any lighter to avoid any accidental dischargers. Is the SSA a significant improvement over a stock gi trigger? Go with the SSA it is a work of art. |
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Quoted: What's the difference between a "carrot", "icicle" and a "candy cane" break? Seriously  To be honest, I'm not positive how each is quantified, but guessing, it relates to the feel of a break. For example, a carrot, while crisp has a little give to it, where as a candy cane has very little bend before the break. Although it's not directly quantified here, you can look at the individual break curves for each trigger (2nd page on each link) and compare the rate take up and rate of break. A sharper slope will indicate a sharper break. |
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+1 for the SSA trigger. I have one in my rifle and the trigger pull seems perfect for home defense, duty, or everyday shooting. I'm not sure if I would go any lighter to avoid any accidental dischargers. Is the SSA a significant improvement over a stock gi trigger? Any Geissle trigger will make you hate the guy who designed milspec triggers, and his parents too. |
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I have never handled an ar15 with anything other than a standard run of the mill trigger. I want something for a range/home defense/zombie killer rifle. I see the SSA-E mentioned alot, but looking at their site, there might be other options. I want something that will help me with my speed. Is the SG3 too short and fast? Thanks for any opinions. DMR is the way to go in my opinion. |
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Currently own a Jewell 2-stage trigger and sadly I have found out the hard way that it will not allow my CMMG .22LR upper to function properly. (light hammer strikes)
After having listened to many opinions from members I have a Geissle SSA on the way and it should make for an interesting comparison. But overall if it reliably ignites the .22LR cartridges in my new upper I should be happier with it already. |
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I have two, an SSA, and the uber-expensive adjustable one. The SSA is on my HD gun. The adjustable is on my precision gun. I did a practical rifle match with the adjustable once and got DQ'd for an ND. It was set way too light for moving and shooting (never mind the fact your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when moving, my bad, but the ND would not have occurred with a heavier trigger pull. I didn't even realize I'd fired the rifle.)
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DMR in my 6940 range rifle- awesome trigger
SSA in my 6944 HD/SHTF rifle- nice trigger S3G in 2- 6921's HD/SHTF rifle with the 4.5 lbs.trigger spring instead of the 3.5 it also comes with My go to rifle is my 6921 with the S3G trigger- crisp break & super fast for multiple targets. I think it's my favorite right now Now I have to decide which triggers for my other 4 colts |
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Quoted: SSA-E is all I've got. Quoted: Quoted: You guys running those SSA's without trying the SSA-E have no idea what you're missing. It's not even in the same league, IMO. SSA-E is all I've got. I've got three SSA-E's that I use in my rifles and I love them. I still have an old SSA laying around, but I'm not sure if I need a fourth rifle or not.  |
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+1 for the SSA trigger. I have one in my rifle and the trigger pull seems perfect for home defense, duty, or everyday shooting. I'm not sure if I would go any lighter to avoid any accidental dischargers. Is the SSA a significant improvement over a stock gi trigger? It is a significant improvement over many 2 stage national match and target triggers (like RRA, Timney, etc.). |
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It is a significant improvement over many 2 stage national match and target triggers (like RRA, Timney, etc.). Quoted:
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+1 for the SSA trigger. I have one in my rifle and the trigger pull seems perfect for home defense, duty, or everyday shooting. I'm not sure if I would go any lighter to avoid any accidental dischargers. Is the SSA a significant improvement over a stock gi trigger? It is a significant improvement over many 2 stage national match and target triggers (like RRA, Timney, etc.). The stock GI 6 -7# single stage trigger = a blowjob from your high school girlfriend. The SSA trigger = Nina Hartley throwing you down and blowing you for a day. The SSA-E= Nina Hartley, Samantha Saint, and Chasey Lain all mud wrestling for the honor of servicing you first. |
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I have never handled an ar15 with anything other than a standard run of the mill trigger. I want something for a range/home defense/zombie killer rifle. I see the SSA-E mentioned alot, but looking at their site, there might be other options. I want something that will help me with my speed. Is the SG3 too short and fast? Thanks for any opinions. DMR is the way to go in my opinion. i have the HS Match coming in from DSG next week 
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You guys running those SSA's without trying the SSA-E have no idea what you're missing. It's not even in the same league, IMO. I'm with this guy. I own both and i prefer the SSA-E. I always see it posted about an AD with the trigger 
I like the SSA, but i'll be getting the SSA-E's for the rest of them. |
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Quoted: I have two, an SSA, and the uber-expensive adjustable one. The SSA is on my HD gun. The adjustable is on my precision gun. I did a practical rifle match with the adjustable once and got DQ'd for an ND. It was set way too light for moving and shooting (never mind the fact your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when moving, my bad, but the ND would not have occurred with a heavier trigger pull. I didn't even realize I'd fired the rifle.) OP, I've watched this thread develop over the last couple of days ... I was waiting for someone honest enough to tell a first hand story reflecting reality. I've said it on other threads - anything further up the food chain than an SSA is NOT appropriate for a home defense weapon. People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones undergoing an adrenalin dump in a real world home defense situation. (Those of you making these recommendations - If you do not have real world experience with an adrenalin dump, should you even be offering an opinion? BTW, range, 3 gun or training do NOT count as true adrenalin dumps.) People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones explaining why they shot someone to the police, district attorney or jury. You can be damn sure they won't even contribute to your legal defense fund. George Zimmerman has been publicly crucified for shooting someone who was on top of him, beating his head against the ground. Do you plan on waiting that long before discharging your AR-15 in a home defense scenario, OP? George Zimmerman killed a thug with a Keltec 9mm handgun ... and the anti-gun and race-baiters would not be quiet until he was arrested. What reaction do you think these same people will have to some "poor youth" being shot or killed with a 'hair trigger' assault weapon? Anyone not considering these real world issues is NOT living in the real world. You should consider the suggestions they have offered in that light. |
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The SSA is on my HD gun. The adjustable is on my precision gun. I did a practical rifle match with the adjustable once and got DQ'd for an ND. It was set way too light for moving and shooting (never mind the fact your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when moving, my bad, but the ND would not have occurred with a heavier trigger pull. I didn't even realize I'd fired the rifle.) OP, I've watched this thread develop over the last couple of days ... I was waiting for someone honest enough to tell a first hand story reflecting reality. I've said it on other threads - anything further up the food chain than an SSA is NOT appropriate for a home defense weapon. People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones undergoing an adrenalin dump in a real world home defense situation. (Those of you making these recommendations - If you do not have real world experience with an adrenalin dump, should you even be offering an opinion? BTW, range, 3 gun or training do NOT count as true adrenalin dumps.) People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones explaining why they shot someone to the police, district attorney or jury. You can be damn sure they won't even contribute to your legal defense fund. George Zimmerman has been publicly crucified for shooting someone who was on top of him, beating his head against the ground. Do you plan on waiting that long before discharging your AR-15 in a home defense scenario, OP? George Zimmerman killed a thug with a Keltec 9mm handgun ... and the anti-gun and race-baiters would not be quiet until he was arrested. What reaction do you think these same people will have to some "poor youth" being shot or killed with a 'hair trigger' assault weapon? Anyone not considering these real world issues is NOT living in the real world. You should consider the suggestions they have offered in that light. Quoted:
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I have two, an SSA, and the uber-expensive adjustable one. I did a practical rifle match with the adjustable once and got DQ'd for an ND. It was set way too light for moving and shooting (never mind the fact your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when moving, my bad, but the ND would not have occurred with a heavier trigger pull. I didn't even realize I'd fired the rifle.) OP, I've watched this thread develop over the last couple of days ... I was waiting for someone honest enough to tell a first hand story reflecting reality. I've said it on other threads - anything further up the food chain than an SSA is NOT appropriate for a home defense weapon. People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones undergoing an adrenalin dump in a real world home defense situation. (Those of you making these recommendations - If you do not have real world experience with an adrenalin dump, should you even be offering an opinion? BTW, range, 3 gun or training do NOT count as true adrenalin dumps.) People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones explaining why they shot someone to the police, district attorney or jury. You can be damn sure they won't even contribute to your legal defense fund. George Zimmerman has been publicly crucified for shooting someone who was on top of him, beating his head against the ground. Do you plan on waiting that long before discharging your AR-15 in a home defense scenario, OP? George Zimmerman killed a thug with a Keltec 9mm handgun ... and the anti-gun and race-baiters would not be quiet until he was arrested. What reaction do you think these same people will have to some "poor youth" being shot or killed with a 'hair trigger' assault weapon? Anyone not considering these real world issues is NOT living in the real world. You should consider the suggestions they have offered in that light. You've said it before...that's funny. I've seen those same sentiments parroted by two dozen different members in the last couple years. I always have to wonder how many of them have actually spent any trigger time on an SSA-E. And I'm calling bullshit on that THEORY. If you're competent enough to be using a rifle in a HD situation, you'll keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to kill the guy on the business end of your rifle. 3.5 lbs is not that light a pull weight...snipers often run single stage triggers at 2-3 lbs, and I can tell you for a fact that adrenaline affects them too. I don't care what trigger you have...if you can't keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to end someone's life, then you have no business waiving that thing around in that kind of situation. And now guys like me aren't living in the real world? Seriously, guy...you don't know dick about me or what I've seen/done. How many shootings have you been involved in? And how many rounds have you sent downrange with an SSA-E? |
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You've said it before...that's funny. I've seen those same sentiments parroted by two dozen different members in the last couple years. I always have to wonder how many of them have actually spent any trigger time on an SSA-E. And I'm calling bullshit on that THEORY. If you're competent enough to be using a rifle in a HD situation, you'll keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to kill the guy on the business end of your rifle. 3.5 lbs is not that light a pull weight...snipers often run single stage triggers at 2-3 lbs, and I can tell you for a fact that adrenaline affects them too. I don't care what trigger you have...if you can't keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to end someone's life, then you have no business waiving that thing around in that kind of situation. And now guys like me aren't living in the real world? Seriously, guy...you don't know dick about me or what I've seen/done. How many shootings have you been involved in? And how many rounds have you sent downrange with an SSA-E? Quoted:
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I have two, an SSA, and the uber-expensive adjustable one. I did a practical rifle match with the adjustable once and got DQ'd for an ND. It was set way too light for moving and shooting (never mind the fact your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when moving, my bad, but the ND would not have occurred with a heavier trigger pull. I didn't even realize I'd fired the rifle.) OP, I've watched this thread develop over the last couple of days ... I was waiting for someone honest enough to tell a first hand story reflecting reality. I've said it on other threads - anything further up the food chain than an SSA is NOT appropriate for a home defense weapon. People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones undergoing an adrenalin dump in a real world home defense situation. (Those of you making these recommendations - If you do not have real world experience with an adrenalin dump, should you even be offering an opinion? BTW, range, 3 gun or training do NOT count as true adrenalin dumps.) People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones explaining why they shot someone to the police, district attorney or jury. You can be damn sure they won't even contribute to your legal defense fund. George Zimmerman has been publicly crucified for shooting someone who was on top of him, beating his head against the ground. Do you plan on waiting that long before discharging your AR-15 in a home defense scenario, OP? George Zimmerman killed a thug with a Keltec 9mm handgun ... and the anti-gun and race-baiters would not be quiet until he was arrested. What reaction do you think these same people will have to some "poor youth" being shot or killed with a 'hair trigger' assault weapon? Anyone not considering these real world issues is NOT living in the real world. You should consider the suggestions they have offered in that light. You've said it before...that's funny. I've seen those same sentiments parroted by two dozen different members in the last couple years. I always have to wonder how many of them have actually spent any trigger time on an SSA-E. And I'm calling bullshit on that THEORY. If you're competent enough to be using a rifle in a HD situation, you'll keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to kill the guy on the business end of your rifle. 3.5 lbs is not that light a pull weight...snipers often run single stage triggers at 2-3 lbs, and I can tell you for a fact that adrenaline affects them too. I don't care what trigger you have...if you can't keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to end someone's life, then you have no business waiving that thing around in that kind of situation. And now guys like me aren't living in the real world? Seriously, guy...you don't know dick about me or what I've seen/done. How many shootings have you been involved in? And how many rounds have you sent downrange with an SSA-E? LMAO most people arent snipers 
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Quoted: You've said it before...that's funny. I've seen those same sentiments parroted by two dozen different members in the last couple years. I always have to wonder how many of them have actually spent any trigger time on an SSA-E. And I'm calling bullshit on that THEORY. If you're competent enough to be using a rifle in a HD situation, you'll keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to kill the guy on the business end of your rifle. 3.5 lbs is not that light a pull weight...snipers often run single stage triggers at 2-3 lbs, and I can tell you for a fact that adrenaline affects them too. I don't care what trigger you have...if you can't keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to end someone's life, then you have no business waiving that thing around in that kind of situation. And now guys like me aren't living in the real world? Seriously, guy...you don't know dick about me or what I've seen/done. How many shootings have you been involved in? And how many rounds have you sent downrange with an SSA-E? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have two, an SSA, and the uber-expensive adjustable one. I did a practical rifle match with the adjustable once and got DQ'd for an ND. It was set way too light for moving and shooting (never mind the fact your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when moving, my bad, but the ND would not have occurred with a heavier trigger pull. I didn't even realize I'd fired the rifle.) OP, I've watched this thread develop over the last couple of days ... I was waiting for someone honest enough to tell a first hand story reflecting reality. I've said it on other threads - anything further up the food chain than an SSA is NOT appropriate for a home defense weapon. People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones undergoing an adrenalin dump in a real world home defense situation. (Those of you making these recommendations - If you do not have real world experience with an adrenalin dump, should you even be offering an opinion? BTW, range, 3 gun or training do NOT count as true adrenalin dumps.) People urging an SSA-E or higher level trigger are NOT going to be the ones explaining why they shot someone to the police, district attorney or jury. You can be damn sure they won't even contribute to your legal defense fund. George Zimmerman has been publicly crucified for shooting someone who was on top of him, beating his head against the ground. Do you plan on waiting that long before discharging your AR-15 in a home defense scenario, OP? George Zimmerman killed a thug with a Keltec 9mm handgun ... and the anti-gun and race-baiters would not be quiet until he was arrested. What reaction do you think these same people will have to some "poor youth" being shot or killed with a 'hair trigger' assault weapon? Anyone not considering these real world issues is NOT living in the real world. You should consider the suggestions they have offered in that light. You've said it before...that's funny. I've seen those same sentiments parroted by two dozen different members in the last couple years. I always have to wonder how many of them have actually spent any trigger time on an SSA-E. And I'm calling bullshit on that THEORY. If you're competent enough to be using a rifle in a HD situation, you'll keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to kill the guy on the business end of your rifle. 3.5 lbs is not that light a pull weight...snipers often run single stage triggers at 2-3 lbs, and I can tell you for a fact that adrenaline affects them too. I don't care what trigger you have...if you can't keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to end someone's life, then you have no business waiving that thing around in that kind of situation. And now guys like me aren't living in the real world? Seriously, guy...you don't know dick about me or what I've seen/done. How many shootings have you been involved in? And how many rounds have you sent downrange with an SSA-E? You are calling bullshit on the LEAST important aspect - the pull weight of the trigger. Adrenalin dump destroying fine muscle control - which includes the trigger finger - not a word about that reality. Thanks for demonstrating your internet couch commando skills and experience. When you get a chance, go back and read the parts about the legal and public reaction to using an AR-15 with a trigger the manufacturer does not recommend for home defense. Sound out the words if you have to, they are REALLY important - but only because they are about the REAL world. |
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The SSA is on my HD gun. The adjustable is on my precision gun. I did a practical rifle match with the adjustable once and got DQ'd for an ND. It was set way too light for moving and shooting (never mind the fact your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when moving, my bad, but the ND would not have occurred with a heavier trigger pull. I didn't even realize I'd fired the rifle.) OP, I've watched this thread develop over the last couple of days ... I was waiting for someone honest enough to tell a first hand story reflecting reality. I've said it on other threads - anything further up the food chain than an SSA is NOT appropriate for a home defense weapon. Quoted:
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I have two, an SSA, and the uber-expensive adjustable one. I did a practical rifle match with the adjustable once and got DQ'd for an ND. It was set way too light for moving and shooting (never mind the fact your finger shouldn't be on the trigger when moving, my bad, but the ND would not have occurred with a heavier trigger pull. I didn't even realize I'd fired the rifle.) OP, I've watched this thread develop over the last couple of days ... I was waiting for someone honest enough to tell a first hand story reflecting reality. I've said it on other threads - anything further up the food chain than an SSA is NOT appropriate for a home defense weapon. Please explain why anything other than an SSA is not proper for home defense? Im real good personal friends with Bill Geissele and he told me, I guess its 3 years ago now, that he can go to sleep every night, knowing full well his triggers will not fail anyone using them. That was after we discussed the DMR's he still makes and tunes by hand for boys at Bragg. Last I knew those guys use DMR's for work where I imagine their amped up and deem that trigger suitable, I think its suitable for HD as well. All my "saves the day" rifles run DMR's since Im used to it from competition. I do have them set up differently but the fact is, its not an SSA. ADDITIONALLY: Knock off the foul language in this thread, stop the personal attacks, and lets stick to discuss and argument in a manner that doesn't veer off from the code of conduct. Thanks! |
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