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9/4/2006 5:50:30 AM EDT
1. we often see in the movies swat/military people w/ARs at the ready but the dust cover is CLOSED.  Will the cover open when fired?  or will this force a ejection jam?

2.  those of u with flatops & optics and a full front sight post: does the front sight post not block the view?  or am I missing something?

3. anybody really use the forward assist?

daz all for now.
9/4/2006 5:55:52 AM EDT
[#1]

Quoted:
1. we often see in the movies swat/military people w/ARs at the ready but the dust cover is CLOSED.  Will the cover open when fired?  or will this force a ejection jam?

2.  those of u with flatops & optics and a full front sight post: does the front sight post not block the view?  or am I missing something?

3. anybody really use the forward assist?

daz all for now.


Yes, it does

No, for magnified optics (eg conventional scopes), it doesn't. For red-dots, some find it  DESIRABLE to have the post 'in view' for some, so that they can easily shift between red-dot and iron sight aiming. The term 'co-witness' is used to describe a situation where a dot-optic is placed inline with iron-sights

Yes, people do use the FA... Not very often, but it does happen... The device was designed for a military environment where the bolt may need a bit of 'help' closing, in reaction to the AR15/M16 being the first US weapon that did not have a charging handle fixed to the bolt....
9/4/2006 5:58:18 AM EDT
[#2]
1. The bolt moving to the rear automatically opens the ejection port cover. Good idea to keep this closed so sand doesnt go into the action.

2. All of my rifles are A2 type so I don't have much experience but from all of the posts I have read; the front sight block doesnt obscure the scope if it is mounted properly.  You will have to mount the scope on some type of block to give you enough clearence over the front sight or to get the objective lens over the front handguard.

3. The forward assist should be used and should be an automatic part of loading the weapon just to be sure.  My drill is to insert mag, tug down on the mag to be sure it is seated, cycle the bolt, then pull the bolt back far enough to see the chambered round, release the bolt and then tap the forward assist.  Always use gross motor movements with your hands, being dainty doesnt work while after no sleep, or under fire.  

Regards
9/4/2006 6:03:08 AM EDT
[#3]
already answered well

but I'll throw this in...

What to do if you have a malfunction when firing...

Slap the magazine into the well

Pull the charging handle back

Observe the chamber to make sure it's empty

Release the charging handle

Tap the forward assist

Squeeze the trigger

S.P.O.R.T.S.

In the Army's infinite skill at coming up with acronyms I remember that almost 20 years after basic training.
9/4/2006 7:54:57 AM EDT
[#4]
It is well documented that the forward assist is completely unnecessary (see Black Book #1, pp. 126-130).  
Using my Colt SP-1, which I bought in 1969 (when it wasn't "cool" to own an AR), I've put 15,000-20,000 rounds through it.  Not ONCE did I feel any need for a forward assist.  That rifle fed flawlessly (exception - a couple of flawed mags I had to throw away) in temps as high as 111 above and 26 below.  Frankly, if you need to chamber a round using the forward assist, you have worse problems than just a stubborn cartridge.
9/4/2006 8:13:14 AM EDT
[#5]


from Tashonka1


It is well documented that the forward assist is completely unnecessary (see Black Book #1, pp. 126-130).
Using my Colt SP-1, which I bought in 1969 (when it wasn't "cool" to own an AR), I've put 15,000-20,000 rounds through it. Not ONCE did I feel any need for a forward assist. That rifle fed flawlessly (exception - a couple of flawed mags I had to throw away) in temps as high as 111 above and 26 below. Frankly, if you need to chamber a round using the forward assist, you have worse problems than just a stubborn cartridge.


Tell that to PFC Patrick Miller when his convoy was ambushed and he had to dispatch a mortar crew one shot at a time because his rifle would not feed normally. (Awarded the Silver Star)

Yes he did have worse problems and is probably pretty thankful the U.S.Army did not listen to the "Black Book" and remove them.....
9/4/2006 8:16:02 AM EDT
[#6]
A forward assist is something you *HOPE* you never need....  that doesnt mean it isnt necessary.
9/4/2006 8:20:35 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
It is well documented that the forward assist is completely unnecessary (see Black Book #1, pp. 126-130).  
Using my Colt SP-1, which I bought in 1969 (when it wasn't "cool" to own an AR), I've put 15,000-20,000 rounds through it.  Not ONCE did I feel any need for a forward assist.  That rifle fed flawlessly (exception - a couple of flawed mags I had to throw away) in temps as high as 111 above and 26 below.  Frankly, if you need to chamber a round using the forward assist, you have worse problems than just a stubborn cartridge.


Except that I have personally needed it, URGENTLY, in combat.  It's funny what reports people  come up with when they are sitting at air conditioned desks.

I suppose the FA is probably pretty useless on a range rifle, but it is there for a reason, even if Stoner didn't want it.  But, contrary to what some here believe, Stoner is NOT the second coming of Jesus
9/5/2006 6:09:41 AM EDT
[#8]
ttman,

1.  You should always keep your dust cover closed when in the field to keep debris out.  It will automatically open as the bolt retracts and doesn't create a jam.  The German MP44 had this feature.

2.  The front sight does show on some optics.  That all depends on several factors. ie height of optic to sight and also magnification.  The higher the magnification the more blurry it will appear.  It may also phsyochigical bother people but you can learn to ignore it when using the optic and then focus on it (front sight, where you should be focusing on) when using BUIS.

3.  Yes, many times to do a pinch test (inspectng chamber for status), pushing in bolt to totally seat round in chamber for want ever reason.




Quoted:
It is well documented that the forward assist is completely unnecessary (see Black Book #1, pp. 126-130).  
Using my Colt SP-1, which I bought in 1969 (when it wasn't "cool" to own an AR), I've put 15,000-20,000 rounds through it.  Not ONCE did I feel any need for a forward assist.  That rifle fed flawlessly (exception - a couple of flawed mags I had to throw away) in temps as high as 111 above and 26 below.  Frankly, if you need to chamber a round using the forward assist, you have worse problems than just a stubborn cartridge.


Then you have never needed to double check the chamber quitely while getting ready to breach a door or ambush.  Its great that your SP1 has been realible to you.  Then I guess that there is no need for the magwell fence on the reciever also.

CD
9/5/2006 6:34:19 AM EDT
[#9]
My first AR encounter was with a friend's Bushmaster and some of his gun show surplus ammo. The ammo would not cycle so if it wasn't for the forward assist I would have never gotten to shoot his gun. 2 months later I bought my own AR :-)

mike
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