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Posted: 9/19/2012 5:53:37 AM EDT
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There you go Redneck all fixed! I thought this was a friendly place but I am finding out some have way to much time on there hands.
By the way I have a problem going on to much to explain to you so my apologies to you for my bad post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I will be the first to kindly request that you edit your post and break it down into paragraphs please. In its current form the post is unreadable. Thank you. +1, sounds like you're super excited and I can't read anything. Ok that's a lie. But you should still really fix it. Some AR's will group nicely. I've gotten touching groups at 50 yards before with a standard upper and steel cased ammo. It's not impossible. Going out to 100 yards it seems to fall apart a bit more, but I'm also not using magnified optics which I believe would help a lot past what my eyes really can't see all that well. Every carbine is going to be different so you're going to get different powders and loads for 'the best' grouping when reloading. |
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Saw the post below and it got me thinking! scary I know! I am a new member also and bought an AR 15 Bushmaster I am hoping that was a good choice, I looked it over real good and everything is a very good fit and tight with no dings or marks on it! and it shoots I think very well! so down to my question, I have shot alot in my younger days and actually had an AR15 25 years ago. Back then nothing was available for mods, just the gun! Not to get inot a lengthy post but this gun had a 24 inch barrel with an inch O.D and weighed a ton! However, the barrel was made by a reputable firm so I turned this barrel in my lathe down to .875 7/8". They had turned it down in the gas block area to fit a .875 gas block so that is where I stayed with the O>D and ofcousre I didn't need a broom stick barrel so that also got choped off! to 18 inches, now it is so much lighter and balanced out really well! And it got a new crown on it also! This gun shot very good in my opinion before all this and is shotting even better now! So finally down to my question! What is good accuracy out of these guns, they do seem to shoot well as my old one did years ago? I only shot at 50yds last night just to confirm all the machining I did to it didn't efect it in any negative way and it didn't ! I cleaned the barrel well first shot concidered my fowler shot then shot 5 more shots under a dime size group all touching! I realize this is only 50yds but from shooting for years if a gun does that at 50yds 100 yds it should be doing very well! So if any of you would please let me know what kind of groups you are getting with you bought guns built guns whatever you have in 223Rem. My ammo was some old stock I had from those years back also, it was all I had on hand, I have about 12 boxes, they were USA 5.56 55gr Ball ammo Made by Olin Winchester bramd, I would say they did well at 50yds and should to well behond that Also what do you guys shoot for ammo? I plan on reloading as I have all the equipment to do it and the dies! So if you guys would let me know on accuracy at 100 yds or behond long ranges welcome to! and what you guys that reload as far as bullets and powder! ]! and it shoot I think very well! so down to my question, I have shot allot in my younger days and actually had an AR15 25 years ago, back then nothing was available for mods, just the gun! Not to get inot a lengthy post this gun had a 24 inch barrel with an inch O.D and weighed a ton! but the barrel was made by a reputable firm! so I turned this barrel in my lathe most all of it down to .875 7/8" they had turned it down in the gas block area to fit a .875 gas block so that is where I stayed with the O>D and ofcousre I didn't need a broom stick barrel so that also got choped off! to 18 inches, now it is so much lighter and balanced out really well! And it got a new crown on it also! This gun shot very good in my opinion before all this and is shotting even better now! So finally down to my queistion! What is good accuracy out of these guns, they do seem to shoot well as my old one did years ago? I only shot at 50yds last night just to confirm all the machining I did to it didn't effect it in any negative way, and it didn't ! I cleaned the barrel well first shot concidered my fowler shot then shot 5 more shots under a dime size group all touching! I realize this is only 50yds but from shooting for years if a gun does that at 50yds 100 yds it should be doing very well! So if any of you would please let me know what kind of groups you are getting with you bought guns built guns whatever you have in 223Rem. My ammo was some old stock I had from those years back also, it was all I had on hand, I have about 12 boxes, they were USA 5.56 55gr Ball ammo Made bu Olin Winchester bramd, I would say they did well at 50yds and should to well behond that! Also what do you guys shoot for ammo? I plan on reloading as I have all the equipment to do it and the dies! So if you guys would let me know on accuracy at 100 yds or behond long ranges welcome to! and what you guys that reload as far as bullets and powder! Also want to add I am guessing my trigger is around the normal 8 to 9 lbs so one of my soon to be mods will be some trigger work! I read a good post the other day on here and a guy that does some nice work! so my trigger group will be take out and sent off in the near future! I know enough about triggers that a stock one is not going to get you the best of goups on a bench! HOLY COW!! I was going to try and fix this for you to get it by the Grammar nazis around here. However, your excessive use of the exclamation mark and otherwise lack of punctuation generally, coupled with mispelling and non-use of the generally accepted prinicpals for paragraph structure have led me to give up on this endeavor. Please proof read your posts in the future. If you don't understand what you have written then neither can anyone else.!!! |
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There is more than one goal in developing your reloads. Accuracy is good to have, but your most accurate load may not do the other things that you want from your ammo. For example, I was taken by the idea in a recent discussion where one puts 6 aimpoints on a single target, then shoots 6 groups of 5 shots, and finds the average group size.
My AR has a 20" chrome lined barrel with a 1 in 9" twist. This is the "rack grade" Armalite HBAR. Shooting the 52 gr. Sierra HPBT, my 100 yard average was just over 0.8", with the smallest group measuring .583, center to center. Remarkable and amazing, but that's not the bullet that I want to standardize on. The bullet that I prefer is the Hornady 60 gr. Spire Point. There's a reason. First, it's relatively cheap. Second, in the reviews on the Midway site, this bullet performs acceptably well on deer. In my 6 group test yesterday, this bullet averaged just about 1.15" @ 100 yards. In previous tests, I've found that it stays right around 1 MOA out to 300 yards. The slight loss in accuracy is worth it to me, in that I believe the Hornady bullet to be more appropriate for what I want to do. There are other considerations as well, as in powder choice. My current preference is Varget, and mostly because it's a Hodgdon "extreme" powder. It maintains uniform pressure through a very wide range of temperatures. Let's say you're out one day, shooting Prairie Dogs. You have a pretty good run, and go through 40 rounds pretty quickly. There's a fresh round in the chamber, and it's getting pretty hot, pretty fast. Let's say it takes 6 or 7 minutes before you see another chance to shoot. That hot round in the chamber will have much less of a pressure spike than it would if you were shooting W748, or H335 (for example). There's a long list of other "good" powders for reloading .223, but I very much prefer to keep my entire stock loaded with just one, and Varget is a great choice. If I were starting over right now, I might give the new Hodgdon CFE a serious go. It's just a little slower than Varget, so the lightest bullet you would load with it would be maybe 60 gr., but the big feature with CFE is that it claims to reduce copper fouling. I don't see a lot of that anyway, in my lapped and chrome lined bore, but it could matter more with a stainless barrel. CFE is also an "extreme" powder. Your barrel probably has a 1 in 8" twist, so you have more choices in heavy bullets than I do. If you're "just shooting paper", you may be tempted to try some of the longest and heaviest bullets that can be safely seated at magazine length. Knock yourself out. Determine ahead of time what you want your rifle to do, and that will narrow your search for performance. |
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Thanks invalid some good advise from you for sure. I have some 50gr V max I loaded up this afternoon all I had on hand was some 4198 that I had used a few years back when I had another 223. 21gr of 4198 in my notes, so going to give that a try. Ended up seating the bullets back a bit farther to make sure they cleared the magazine ok.
I am going to have to try the Varget I have heard that works well for 223. Any good data on the Varget let me know and thanks for your help, and hope this post passed the grammer testers! |
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I found this guy to be pretty good:
http://www.223reloads.com/ I don't agree with everything he says, but there are some good recipes there, and the info is basically sound. Sierra sez that the range for 4198 is 20.1~22.5 gr., min to max. 50 gr. ballistic tips used to be my standard varmint bullet, but that was in the days of a 1 in 12" twist. I assume you know, but I'll mention anyway that the ballistic tip, and the very similar Hornady V-max are way too explosive to be considered a good defensive round. If you're just concerned with punching paper or exploding varmints, they're very good. BTW- The nomenclature police will chastise you for calling a magazine a "clip". BTW #2- Max cartridge overall length for a .223 magazine is 2.250. |
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Thanks again for your post,Intersting web sight on reloading thanks for that. I like talking about reloading and hear what others have to say about it very interested to hear what others are using. I have older reloading books and none list Varget as it being a fairly new powder. But I want to try some, so will probably go online to see if I can find some information. If you have a good load to share with Varget let me know if you would. Like I had posted my shooting is some paper just because I have always liked shooting paper, just a fun time to see what your efforts can produce.in really don't expect to have an AR 15 and call it a target gun, are they out there sure they are, but to get into that there would be quite a bit involved and at one time i was in to formal matches in 22 lr and had allot of fun and met allot of nice people. I just had a couple guns I did not use any more and this AR 15 platform interested me and sounds like a fun project.
Also if you have any bullets that work well let me know, always interested in a good affordable bullet. The reason I use what I do is price and accuracy, works well on paper and for what I have here where I live small varmits most any good bullet would work well. And speaking of "magazines" are there some that are better than others? |
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