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8/12/2008 12:13:50 PM EDT
Would a regular H-buffer work well with a 16" upper with a mid-length gas system? If it helps with an M4 gas system, I assume it helps some with the mid-length as well. It will not be too strong a spring, right? I heard that H2, H3, and 9mm buffers can be too much buffer for a mid-length gas system.
8/12/2008 12:18:36 PM EDT
[#1]
Maybe. My 16" midlength ran just fine with a standard carbine buffer when I tried it. Runs fine with a rifle buffer too, which is ow I normally have it configured. I suspect that the midlength isn't so sensitive to buffer weight.

BSW
8/12/2008 1:06:36 PM EDT
[#2]
I have H buffers in both of my 16" 6.8 middies and both rifles function perfectly.
8/12/2008 1:13:55 PM EDT
[#3]
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I have H buffers in both of my 16" 6.8 middies and both rifles function perfectly.

6.8 is a little different from .223 though, I'm more interested how it will run with something like crappy 55gr wolf.
8/13/2008 7:29:19 AM EDT
[#4]
shameless bump: doesn't anyone have experience with this?
8/13/2008 7:46:20 AM EDT
[#5]
I run an H buffer in my midlength.  I have shot 45gr - 70gr with no problems.

The 45gr was a bad choice for my barrel twist but it cycled fine.

ETA - It is a 16" barrel.
8/13/2008 8:40:42 AM EDT
[#6]
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I run an H buffer in my midlength.  I have shot 45gr - 70gr with no problems.

The 45gr was a bad choice for my barrel twist but it cycled fine.

ETA - It is a 16" barrel.

Thanks! Do you think it improves reliability a little bit or is it just the same as regular buffer in a mid-length?
8/13/2008 9:00:55 AM EDT
[#7]
Heavier buffers slow down the action, increasing dwell time, etc for increased reliability and less wear and tear (read: broken extractors) in a carbine gas system.

Run whatever works for your middy. Rifle, car or H buffers.  The only negative is that going too heavy may slow things down too much to cycle properly with some under-powered ammo.

I ran a rifle buffer (w/ A1 stock) in my 14.5" middy with ZERO problems.  I'm switching to a H buffer in a collapsible stock but have yet to test it.  I don't expect to have any problems with M193 or (somewhat underpowered) Wolf.  We'll see.
8/13/2008 9:01:42 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I run an H buffer in my midlength.  I have shot 45gr - 70gr with no problems.

The 45gr was a bad choice for my barrel twist but it cycled fine.

ETA - It is a 16" barrel.

Thanks! Do you think it improves reliability a little bit or is it just the same as regular buffer in a mid-length?


I don't have any first hand experience with standard carbine buffers.  I bought my stocks as package deals; stock, tube, buffer, and spring.  They all came with H buffers.
8/13/2008 12:48:57 PM EDT
[#9]
Thanks all, I appreciate the info!
8/14/2008 12:42:21 PM EDT
[#10]
This  is  some great info- & I have a question-

I am trying to get my Ar pistol to run , & I am having failures to extract.  I have a RRA Pistol lower & a COLT 11inch  upper. Now I know that Colt never made a pistol upper - so this must be a 11inch  carbine upper. I have been told to go to a H3 buffer & see what happens.... Do you think  that is too heavey  or should I go H2..or less.? Thanks
8/14/2008 1:13:55 PM EDT
[#11]
If you're having FTE issues I'd start with upgrading your extractor.

BCM extractor upgrade
BCM extractor upgrade 3 pack


I've upgraded all of my bolts.  I don't know if I really needed to but none of my rifles have any extracting problems.  

8/14/2008 1:18:59 PM EDT
[#12]
But I already did that. I'll try the H3 & H2 buffers....
8/14/2008 2:14:05 PM EDT
[#13]
A heavier buffer is the way to go then.  Start with the H2.
8/14/2008 2:15:52 PM EDT
[#14]
I wouldn't go too heavy - you'll start seeing increased incidences of short stroking with anything other than hot loaded ammunition - it's a balance, and especially as the chamber starts to accumulate grime/carbon/etc., then the rearward impulse on the bolt may stop being enough to lock the bolt back, and eventually to load the next round - don't go overboard.

H2 is as far as I'd go - I have one for a 14.7" Carbine M4, SEMI carrier, but that's as far as I'm willing to push it.
8/14/2008 3:32:29 PM EDT
[#15]
Who has H2 buffers....... Brownells did not have them.
8/14/2008 4:22:00 PM EDT
[#16]
Rainier
8/14/2008 10:07:06 PM EDT
[#17]
What do buffers run $$ ?, Is RANIER the only  good price out there...THANKS
8/15/2008 7:05:29 AM EDT
[#18]
$30 is about the going rate for an H2 buffer.  Rainier is a site sponsor and a good company to do business with.  
8/15/2008 5:25:10 PM EDT
[#19]
One last question- can someone post  the buffer weights- Standard , carbine, H1,2,&3, & 9mm...... THANKS GUYS!!
8/18/2008 3:49:06 PM EDT
[#20]
Can anyone answer that question....
8/18/2008 3:57:24 PM EDT
[#21]

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A1/A2----- 5.2oz---- Full Stock

CAR--------2.9oz----Standard Carbine - Aluminum body

M4 (H)-----3.8oz----Standard M4 - Aluminum Body with 2 Steel and 1 Tungsten Weight

M4 (H2)---4.6oz-----M4 - Aluminum Body with 1 Steel and 2 Tungsten Weights

M4 (H3)---5.4oz-----M4 - Aluminum Body with 3 Tungsten Weights

9MM-------5.5oz-----Steel body with 3 Steel Weights

9MM (A)---6.3oz-----Steel body with 1 Tungsten and 2 Steel Weights

9MM (B)---7.1oz-----Steel body with 2 Tungsten and 1 Steel Weight

9MM (X)---7.9oz-----Steel body with 3 Tungsten Weights
8/18/2008 5:35:04 PM EDT
[#22]
I use a 9mm Colt buffer and a Defender upgrade on the extractor. Thats in a 10.5 and 11.5 upper. With yours, I wouldn't go past a H2. I always install Defenders.
8/18/2008 10:14:40 PM EDT
[#23]
I run a regular buffer in a 10.5 cqb mrp on full auto with a suppressor, and have never had jam or ftf.  Just keeps shooting.  

For what it's worth, I have run over 700 rounds through it without cleaning it.  My goal is to see how long it will go with no lube and no cleaning.
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