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Posted: 2/3/2003 5:24:20 PM EDT
| What,s the low down on Hesse? a friend wants to buy one from local gun shop. I told him I'd check with the brother on AR 15 and find out.It's a new one,a flat top. |
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The word I hear is that Hesse is gone out of business - Finito'. They aren't answering any e-mails and I've received info that they have gone under. Lowers can still be ordered from FAC ( i think this is gunsnstuff.com but I'm not sure) as I just received the latest mailer with all kinds of Hesse lowers and Hesse AR's some as low as $470 bucks. No great loss as fas as I'm concened, their Customer Service was notoriously BAD. I'm proud to say that I bought a NIB Tromix .50AE upper from them (Tony confirms) just before they bit the big one. The Hesse AR lowers were the biggest joke in the AR community until they put out the carbon fiber lower which was rumored to be pretty decent. But with no company to back it up, I'd look elsewhere for lowers/uppers. Just my .02 and what "hearsay I gotten" |
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V15 FIREARMS 1. What is included with each rifle? - Each V15 firearm comes in its own fitted box with a magazine, a manual, and a sling. V15 firearms accept any standard AR15/M16 magazine. 2. What type of receivers are used? - All V15 firearms utilize the newest A2 designs, including the raised magazine fence and reinforced receiver ring. All new production alloy receivers are made from 7075 T6 FORGINGS (as per the current mil spec.) not castings, or Carbon/Aramid fiber, which is standard. 3. Why Carbon/Aramid receivers - Vulcan Arms, Inc. Carbon/Aramid receivers utilize a cutting edge technology od of manufacture. Long strand Carbon/Aramid fibers are hot tip injected with space age polymers to form each receiver. The resulting receiver is STRONGER and LIGHTER than aluminum. Carbon/Aramid has a tensile strength of approximately 5 times that of aluminum and is less than half the weight. Carbon/Aramid is also highly abrasion resistant, this means that the pin holes will not deform, even under extended use. 4. Which barrel twist is best? - The "best" barrel twist depends on what type of ammunition you plan to use. The 1-9" twist is the most common and stabilizes bullets up to 68 gr. If you plan on using the VLD bullets (80 gr) the 1-7" twist is best. 5. What about the V15-500 Series 9mm Rifles? - The 9mm conversion utilizes a simpple blow back system and the upper attaches to any standard AR-15 type lower. It should be noted that, due to manufactures differences, the magazines and/or magazine catch may need minor fitting. Also, this conversion is made to work with BRITISH made Sten magazines CUT and PASTED off the web site |
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i am considering purchasing a ar15 type rifle from ya'll. but i have heard many things bad about your company. one of these is that your company is really Hesse arms, or was, and is now under the name VULCAN. is this true? i have also heard many horror stories about Hesse's recivers. One of these stories is that the reciver just broke. Another is that one had exploded. As a potential client, what can you tell me, about the following questions and statements? I do want a rifle that is not OVERLLY expensive like COLT, but one that wont break on me. What can your company offer? the above is an e-mail i just sent to vulcan arms |
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E-mail from "Vulcan Arms"... No, Vulcan Arms, Inc. is NOT Hesse Arms. You can see our website for all of the products that we offer. Hmmmm... I guess it's just a coincidence that Hesse & "Vulcan" offer the exact same product lines??? By the curt tone of their E-mail, they also share the same knack for piss poor customer relations! Nope... "Vulcan" can't possibly be Hesse Arms!!! [rolleyes] |
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Quoted: E-mail from "Vulcan Arms"... No, Vulcan Arms, Inc. is NOT Hesse Arms. You can see our website for all of the products that we offer. Hmmmm... I guess it's just a coincidence that Hesse & "Vulcan" offer the exact same product lines??? By the curt tone of their E-mail, they also share the same knack for poor customer relations! Nope... "Vulcan" can't possibly be Hesse Arms!!! [rolleyes] exactly my thoughts! |
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For your own saftey, I am going to have to ask you to put the Hesse on the ground, and slowly back away. Do not make eye contact with the Hesse. LOL In all seriousness, I had a guy at a pawn shop show me an AR, it was a Hesse, he wanted 900 bucks for it!! I told him, if he gave me the 900 bucks and the rifle for free, I still wouldn't take it. |
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BUT on the hand, I bought an upper in 6x45 about 2 years ago from HESSE. i told the man on the phone that if they did what they said, how they said, and then they said; I would post that here. My upper arrived 2 weeks early. I was pleased with fit and finsh. THe sole problem with it is the twist rate 1;9 instead of 1;12. The upper shoots sub-moa. An on line friend got an upper from a smith well reguarded here. Long and short he may have wished he had got a hesse. Yes I am ready for the flames.bb |
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I did a Whois search on the net for vulcanarms.com and the search results came back as this.... Any questions? lol Domain Name.......... vulcanarms.com   Creation Date........ 2002-10-01   Registration Date.... 2002-10-01   Expiry Date.......... 2003-10-01   Organisation Name.... Robert Hesse   Organisation Address. 9487 Inver Grove Trail   Organisation Address.   Organisation Address. Inver Grove Heights   Organisation Address. 55076   Organisation Address. MN   Organisation Address. UNITED STATES Wolf Pack |
| Hesse makes crap. I made the mistake of buying a Hesse FAL-H (Fal clone). The receiver is out of spec. The mags fit so loose in the receiver that the gun fails to cycle consistently. The gun has been sitting in the safe for a while I am still contemplating getting an Imble receiver and having it installed. The only problem is, I will probably have a hard time finding a smith to install the receiver. The local smiths here in Phoenix who works on fals, Arizona response and AZ expert arms do not like to touch anything Hesse. |
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Quoted: All my experience with HESSE has been BAD. Also have you guys seen joeken.com ? That site is also the same products. Maybe Hesse filed Bankruptcy and formed two new Co's to screw more people. Joeken.com does have very cheap fobus products. Joeken is a major distributor of Hesse products. On another board, Joe Ken made a comment to a potential customer that the U.S. military was going to phase out aluminum in firearms in favor of carbon fiber type materials. I called him on it and asked him to give me one, just one, document that states the military was officially adopting carbon fiber to replace aluminum receivers on the M16/M4. He then came back and told me the military was testing carbon fiber as a possible, and I stress posible, replacement for aluminum. He also told me I shouldn't make comments on things I know nothing about. To which I replied that testing is a long, long way from adoption. I also pointed out his original comment that the military was absolutely going to adopt carbon fiber over aluminum. He then sicked a mod on me. On top of that, even after I pointed out Joe Ken's blatant lie, the other guy still decided to buy the Hesse. It seems my calling Joe on his false comment made the guy sympathetic to Joe Ken. The fact that I called Joe on his lie was more of an offense than Joe telling the all out lie to a customer. Oh well, you try to help someone... I have not gone back to those boards again. That being said, I have not heard of any problems with the Carbon fiber/Kevlar receivers from Hesse. So far so good. However, after all the mistruths and lack of customer support from any parties involved with Hesse, are you sure these are the types of people you want to do business with? |
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DDDOOOONNNN'TTTTT DDDDDOOOOO IIIITTTTT!!!!!!! You buy Hesse and might as well buy a coffin while your at it. A couple of years ago, Hesse came out with a forged aluminum receiver for the FN FAL design. Rumor has it that they got it on the market before they could do any quality testing. Needless to say, Aluminum just doesn't hold up to mil-spec ammo like good old steel. In an independent test done by a lab, they found that after about 2000-4000 rounds of .308, the receivers had a tendancy to crack and explode even. How would you feel firing a weapon from a company that put some receivers on the market that weren't tested properly and could have killed some people. Hesse cancelled any current orders and got back any they had shipped out from what I hear. You can read all about it on DSA's website www.dsarms.com. (I don't know how to make the links work so anybody that does please tell me.) In conclusion don't buy Hesse or you might buy a ticket on a one way plane if you know what I mean |
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Hmmm this is the second time I have heard hesse mentioned in the last two days. Nothing I have heard is good. This post made me think of the butcher job done on a G36k conversion. Take a look at the link http://boards.hkpro.com/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=004275 The guy, LarryG36, that fixed it did the barrel work on my G36 conversion. He knows his stuff I can personally vouch for that. |
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Quoted: DDDOOOONNNN'TTTTT DDDDDOOOOO IIIITTTTT!!!!!!! You buy Hesse and might as well buy a coffin while your at it. A couple of years ago, Hesse came out with a forged aluminum receiver for the FN FAL design... Actually, the aluminum FAL receiver fiasco was courtesy of Williams Arms Co. (WAC), *not* Hesse. Here's the link to the page on DSA's web site: [url]http://www.dsarms.com/safety_warning.cfm[/url] However, Hesse still sucked/sucks (regardless of their name now), mainly because their customer service and QC was not the best. Their FAL receivers apparently were good when they were in-spec, but very bad when they were bad. Gabe |
| You are right. It was like six months ago that I read that article and I mistook Hesse as being the company with the Aluminum receiver. I do however know about cases where people have had their Hesse Receivers made from the cast steel Type III design crack. I think I will stick with the Type II DSA for the FN 'cause its as they say "da shit." |
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