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2/7/2008 8:48:55 AM EDT
Hey gents,
I just found this forum so I thought I'd check in and offer an intro. Im a gunsmith and D.O.E. advanced armorer so I would be glad to answer questions or just be of help. This looks like a great forum and I look forward to reading your posts an contributing both.
2/7/2008 8:52:47 AM EDT
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Welcome to the forum.  We've got a great group here.  Looking forward to your contributions.
2/7/2008 8:59:22 AM EDT
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Hi!

Got any D.O.E 9mm handguards laying around anywhere???

2/7/2008 9:12:14 AM EDT
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Hi!

Got any D.O.E 9mm handguards laying around anywhere???



you sly dog you



Welcome to the forum!
2/7/2008 9:58:53 AM EDT
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unclemoak, what country are you in now?  

Don't recognize the flag under your avatar.
2/7/2008 10:03:35 AM EDT
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unclemoak, what country are you in now?  

Don't recognize the flag under your avatar.


I'm currently sitting in my office

I just like the Swiss flag for some reason.
2/7/2008 10:16:59 AM EDT
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Hi!

Got any D.O.E 9mm handguards laying around anywhere???

No, sorry. The govt. doesn't let us take things home.
2/7/2008 10:18:31 AM EDT
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Welcome
2/7/2008 10:23:08 AM EDT
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Welcome, and I think we'd all benefit from whatever history of the DOE 9mm guns (Colt Model 633s from what we've been led to believe) you can offer.
2/7/2008 10:26:37 AM EDT
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2/7/2008 10:33:46 AM EDT
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Welcome to the site
2/7/2008 10:55:10 AM EDT
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Welcome aboard!
2/7/2008 11:16:49 AM EDT
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Welcome to the site
2/7/2008 12:42:26 PM EDT
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No, sorry. The govt. doesn't let us take things home.


Is that the same govt that fills dumpsters with outdated serviceable surplus items???  
2/7/2008 12:44:08 PM EDT
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Im a gunsmith and D.O.E. advanced armorer ...


Welcome!!!  How about some pics???  
2/7/2008 2:55:25 PM EDT
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No, sorry. The govt. doesn't let us take things home.


Is that the same govt that fills dumpsters with outdated serviceable surplus items???  Yes...yes it is and you're right they would rather we cut them up or just out right throw them away.
2/7/2008 3:07:34 PM EDT
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Welcome, and I think we'd all benefit from whatever history of the DOE 9mm guns (Colt Model 633s from what we've been led to believe) you can offer.

I dont know if they used them in the past but they didn't while I was there. From the few that I've seen myself they never worked all the bugs out of them. Just not a reliable gun. I think it has something to do with the bolt wieght to gas flow ratio. They couldn't get it quite right.
2/7/2008 6:21:11 PM EDT
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Welcome to the Retro Jungle .  " You can check out any time you want but you can never leave ".
2/7/2008 8:41:04 PM EDT
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Welcome to the Retro Jungle .  " You can check out any time you want but you can never leave ". how
2/7/2008 9:09:28 PM EDT
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Welcome, and I think we'd all benefit from whatever history of the DOE 9mm guns (Colt Model 633s from what we've been led to believe) you can offer.

I dont know if they used them in the past but they didn't while I was there. From the few that I've seen myself they never worked all the bugs out of them. Just not a reliable gun. I think it has something to do with the bolt wieght to gas flow ratio. They couldn't get it quite right.


Interesting. I wonder if one could be made to run with the addition of something like an LMT enhanced BC? I mean, a lot of advances have been made making shorty ARs work well in the last few years. There was a post here not long ago with a 'blueprint' for the FSB. They are butt-ugly, but very interesting and potentially useful weapons. If I were going to have a 9mm AR at all, I think I'd be forced to SBR it and make a clone.
ERBR strikes again...

2/8/2008 2:28:30 AM EDT
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Im a gunsmith and D.O.E. advanced armorer ...


Welcome!!!  How about some pics???  



Sadly, this is the only one I have. I could have sworn I had more.
2/8/2008 5:30:53 AM EDT
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Welcome, and I think we'd all benefit from whatever history of the DOE 9mm guns (Colt Model 633s from what we've been led to believe) you can offer.

I dont know if they used them in the past but they didn't while I was there. From the few that I've seen myself they never worked all the bugs out of them. Just not a reliable gun. I think it has something to do with the bolt wieght to gas flow ratio. They couldn't get it quite right.

Interesting, is there potentially any non-sensitive documentation that remains?  Manuals, etc?  What did they replace the system with?
2/8/2008 5:51:08 AM EDT
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Sadly, this is the only one I have. I could have sworn I had more.


2/8/2008 8:01:16 AM EDT
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Anyone have the pic with the dimensions of that front sight base?  Is the repro that Garrison Mfg is making designed for a .625" barrel?
2/8/2008 8:14:25 AM EDT
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Sadly, this is the only one I have. I could have sworn I had more.


You do. You're a team member; do a search for "Dept Of Energy DOE Pics???? Anyone got?"...I'm not a team member; I can't search...  
2/8/2008 8:54:44 AM EDT
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Sadly, this is the only one I have. I could have sworn I had more.


You do. You're a team member; do a search for "Dept Of Energy DOE Pics???? Anyone got?"...I'm not a team member; I can't search...  



i've been trying to figure out what to search for for since 5:30 this morning  

ETA - I'll upload the pics once I can get the archive to work - standby


archive.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=339846
^ pictures don't work anymore, I contacted the poster with the pictures so hopefully he can send me some.
2/8/2008 11:41:02 AM EDT
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...I contacted the poster with the pictures so hopefully he can send me some.


I saved both pages of the thread...Let's see if the links still work...  

Bear with me...  

From UXB -



From Critical-Mass -













From osprey21 -





From CSMW -



From sgt_monroe -









OK! All pictures remain the property of the owners; these pics are linked from the archived thread. If I've made any mistakes, my apologies...  
2/8/2008 1:40:01 PM EDT
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Possible DOE 9mm...Maybe...  

2/8/2008 1:50:22 PM EDT
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Welcome, and I think we'd all benefit from whatever history of the DOE 9mm guns (Colt Model 633s from what we've been led to believe) you can offer.

I dont know if they used them in the past but they didn't while I was there. From the few that I've seen myself they never worked all the bugs out of them. Just not a reliable gun. I think it has something to do with the bolt wieght to gas flow ratio. They couldn't get it quite right.

Interesting, is there potentially any non-sensitive documentation that remains?  Manuals, etc?  What did they replace the system with?

Sorry but dont ask.
2/8/2008 1:55:35 PM EDT
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What year(s) were these DOE 9mms produced, tested?
nice museum pieces
2/8/2008 1:56:21 PM EDT
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I saw my first one in 1982.
2/8/2008 1:58:52 PM EDT
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thanks
2/8/2008 3:32:15 PM EDT
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howlingwolfarms, Welcome!

Morg308, yeah, that's got to be the only AR I've ever seen that makes a firing port weapon look "good". I'm trying to erase it from my memory but my retinas are scorched!!!
2/8/2008 10:57:23 PM EDT
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Welcome, and I think we'd all benefit from whatever history of the DOE 9mm guns (Colt Model 633s from what we've been led to believe) you can offer.

I dont know if they used them in the past but they didn't while I was there. From the few that I've seen myself they never worked all the bugs out of them. Just not a reliable gun. I think it has something to do with the bolt wieght to gas flow ratio. They couldn't get it quite right.

Interesting, is there potentially any non-sensitive documentation that remains?  Manuals, etc?  What did they replace the system with?

Sorry but dont ask.


Why not? We can probably get that info through FOIA, but IIRC, the DOE went to HK and are testing some Ruger SMGs. How is this restricted info? I mean, we know what the friggin SEALs are using for the most part - how is DOE weaponry that special? I mean, really. Sounds like a 'If I told you I'd have to kill you' cop out. Please prove me wrong. I understand restricted information, but come on - there are lots of civvy armorers who do work for the .gov with full websites, and you can't tell us what the weapon was replaced with? I can understand your reticence, but 'Sorry but don't ask' just makes me ask these questions.
2/9/2008 3:37:03 PM EDT
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Welcome, and I think we'd all benefit from whatever history of the DOE 9mm guns (Colt Model 633s from what we've been led to believe) you can offer.

I dont know if they used them in the past but they didn't while I was there. From the few that I've seen myself they never worked all the bugs out of them. Just not a reliable gun. I think it has something to do with the bolt wieght to gas flow ratio. They couldn't get it quite right.

Interesting, is there potentially any non-sensitive documentation that remains?  Manuals, etc?  What did they replace the system with?

Sorry but dont ask.


Why not? We can probably get that info through FOIA, but IIRC, the DOE went to HK and are testing some Ruger SMGs. How is this restricted info? I mean, we know what the friggin SEALs are using for the most part - how is DOE weaponry that special? I mean, really. Sounds like a 'If I told you I'd have to kill you' cop out. Please prove me wrong. I understand restricted information, but come on - there are lots of civvy armorers who do work for the .gov with full websites, and you can't tell us what the weapon was replaced with? I can understand your reticence, but 'Sorry but don't ask' just makes me ask these questions.

It must have been a different section of the DOE. Those little 9mm's were not used by my group. I have no idea what part of the DOE used those. My section, with what they dealt with, is restricted info. I honestly can't tell the current weapons of my section to you without spending time in "club Fed".
2/9/2008 4:21:01 PM EDT
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It must have been a different section of the DOE. Those little 9mm's were not used by my group. I have no idea what part of the DOE used those.


Train guards, maybe??? Aren't those cookies hauled by rail???  
2/10/2008 6:43:28 AM EDT
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It must have been a different section of the DOE. Those little 9mm's were not used by my group. I have no idea what part of the DOE used those.


Train guards, maybe??? Aren't those cookies hauled by rail???  

not any more
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