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Posted: 7/20/2015 5:39:05 PM EDT
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Hi...is there a market for the selling of more expensive high quality AR15 Rifles ( not that cheaper ones are not good quality )...
...such as KAC, LWRC, Colt Limited "RUN" productions, JR Rifles, Wilson Combat, Daniel Defense & Ambush Arms (same)...Sig & Ruger (Piston) . I have not tried...or even looked at it? Or has the market gone so "soft" that a loss is inevitable... EVEN if originally purchased well below MSRP? I see that AR15's can now be purchased for at or around $500., such as the S&W M&P15 or Bushmasters and the like. Can it be that Avg. peeps,not versed in what goes into a KAC SR15 MOD "x" or a LWRC, D.D., Wilson or JR rifle, just "see" ALL "Black Rifles" the same? I got into AR shooting-collecting right after Sandy Hook ...but did not overpay for any Rifle, as I bought swiftly, before any shortage. "Handwriting was on the wall"...and it did come to pass, big time! Within a couple months, not an AR on the wall, here in my area. I will NEVER undersell my guns, as the time will come, ( God forbid, though ...) unfortunately, that another crisis will spark the madness of 2012-2013. Selling a couple now, that I would part with, well it seems un-doable? What gives...has the cheap "stripper" rifles made the high-end ones a tough sell? 
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Not to sound rude but I'm having a very hard time understanding what you're trying to ask here? Can you reword it a little?
Are you asking if you should sell your rifle now to buy a higher end one? But you're worried about underselling it because of the all time low? Honestly if you want to sell high, then you'll buy high too. Basically if we have a time travel machine and went back to 2012 and you sold your ar at high price, then you would not buy an ar at a great price until now. My advice is this: buy a spare lower by one of those companies, and a lower part kits. Then slowly build from there. |
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Not to sound rude but I'm having a very hard time understanding what you're trying to ask here? Can you reword it a little? Are you asking if you should sell your rifle now to buy a higher end one? But you're worried about underselling it because of the all time low? Honestly if you want to sell high, then you'll buy high too. Basically if we have a time travel machine and went back to 2012 and you sold your ar at high price, then you would not buy an ar at a great price until now. My advice is this: buy a spare lower by one of those companies, and a lower part kits. Then slowly build from there. This big time! I too bought right after Sandy Hook and wish that I had purchased several more stripped lowers because here in CT we cannot buy them anymore unless it a pre ban. So instead of paying less than 100 bucks for a lower I had to pay much much more  for the two pre bans I found.
Buy yourself a few spare lower receivers. 
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Used ARs are selling dirt cheap right now. Check the classifieds and see what stuff is moving for and how long it takes. I've never seen a time when AR stuff was so cheap and plentiful. You're gonna lose your ass if you sell now. my local gun shop is selling leo trade in m&ps for $399. i wonder if we will see used ars selling in the $250-$300 range soon? |
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Not to sound rude but I'm having a very hard time understanding what you're trying to ask here? Can you reword it a little? Are you asking if you should sell your rifle now to buy a higher end one? But you're worried about underselling it because of the all time low? Honestly if you want to sell high, then you'll buy high too. Basically if we have a time travel machine and went back to 2012 and you sold your ar at high price, then you would not buy an ar at a great price until now. My advice is this: buy a spare lower by one of those companies, and a lower part kits. Then slowly build from there. Ok...others obviously did understand, not sure why you did not? But I'll clarify, though they have answered. I was basically asking if it is still possible to get a good price on higher end AR's...regardless of that definition "higher end", ...whether or not we personally believe them worth 5x that of a S&W or Bushmaster. I had a good idea, probably not a good time, and as stated by some here... that AR's have never been cheaper (some)...in recent years ! So i guess, unless someone was looking for my LWRC M6 6.8SPC or my Ambush Arms 5.56 in RealTree BlazePink... ...i'm not gonna get a good price at this time, because the market is saturated with cheapos that are decent, and if someone just wants an AR won't pay my price. And I only included the Ruger SR762 or Sig 516 Patrol in there as they were still at around $1,500. , not saying they were in the same tier as KAC, Wilson, LaRue, JR, LWRC, Daniel Defense....etc., ..although, have to say, not far off, no problems with any of them. |
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All black rifles are not the same, the problem is that people that cant afford a high end AR say their cheap ones are just as good as a high end one to make themselves feel better and it catches on because there are more people with cheap shit.. Or people think thier "high end" rifles are better to make themselves feel better after blowing all of that money on them. I've got two AR's. One high end, one middle. They both run flawlessly. All you're getting for that extra money spent is making your e-penis longer. Just think of all that extra ammo and mags you could have had instead of being able to brag about that shiny new LaRue. Don't get me wrong, if I hit the lotto sure. But I'll never drop that much coin again on a high end AR otherwise. |
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Or people think thier "high end" rifles are better to make themselves feel better after blowing all of that money on them. I've got two AR's. One high end, one middle. They both run flawlessly. All you're getting for that extra money spent is making your e-penis longer. Just think of all that extra ammo and mags you could have had instead of being able to brag about that shiny new LaRue. Don't get me wrong, if I hit the lotto sure. But I'll never drop that much coin again on a high end AR otherwise. Quoted:
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All black rifles are not the same, the problem is that people that cant afford a high end AR say their cheap ones are just as good as a high end one to make themselves feel better and it catches on because there are more people with cheap shit.. Or people think thier "high end" rifles are better to make themselves feel better after blowing all of that money on them. I've got two AR's. One high end, one middle. They both run flawlessly. All you're getting for that extra money spent is making your e-penis longer. Just think of all that extra ammo and mags you could have had instead of being able to brag about that shiny new LaRue. Don't get me wrong, if I hit the lotto sure. But I'll never drop that much coin again on a high end AR otherwise. Thanks for proving my point   
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All black rifles are not the same, the problem is that people that cant afford a high end AR say their cheap ones are just as good as a high end one to make themselves feel better and it catches on because there are more people with cheap shit.. Or people think thier "high end" rifles are better to make themselves feel better after blowing all of that money on them. I've got two AR's. One high end, one middle. They both run flawlessly. All you're getting for that extra money spent is making your e-penis longer. Just think of all that extra ammo and mags you could have had instead of being able to brag about that shiny new LaRue. Don't get me wrong, if I hit the lotto sure. But I'll never drop that much coin again on a high end AR otherwise. Thanks for proving my point it's a shit point to begin with.. If you spend more than $1,400 on an AR in the current market, you aren't necessarily getting proportionally more rifle for your money. I've got a 1980s Colt Sporter II that runs like a top.. I bought it back during the Clinton Gun Ban days.. I've built several totally custom rifles that cost me less than $1,000 and will punch paper at moa with my limited precision rifle skills. I would never spend more than $1000 on a rifle, there may be people who can squeeze Navy SEAL accuracy out of a $2,000 AR, but you're talking about VERY FEW people in this world (and I'm certainly not one of them) I've got a build going right now that I'll spend less than $600 on. THAT rifle will do everything that 80% of the people buying/using ARs will ever need.. (but most people wont admit it) |
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he may have illustrated your point, but he certainly didn't prove it. it's a shit point to begin with.. If you spend more than $1,400 on an AR in the current market, you aren't necessarily getting proportionally more rifle for your money. I've got a 1980s Colt Sporter II that runs like a top.. I bought it back during the Clinton Gun Ban days.. I've built several totally custom rifles that cost me less than $1,000 and will punch paper at moa with my limited precision rifle skills. I would never spend more than $1000 on a rifle, there may be people who can squeeze Navy SEAL accuracy out of a $2,000 AR, but you're talking about VERY FEW people in this world (and I'm certainly not one of them) I've got a build going right now that I'll spend less than $600 on. THAT rifle will do everything that 80% of the people buying/using ARs will ever need.. (but most people wont admit it) Quoted:
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All black rifles are not the same, the problem is that people that cant afford a high end AR say their cheap ones are just as good as a high end one to make themselves feel better and it catches on because there are more people with cheap shit.. Or people think thier "high end" rifles are better to make themselves feel better after blowing all of that money on them. I've got two AR's. One high end, one middle. They both run flawlessly. All you're getting for that extra money spent is making your e-penis longer. Just think of all that extra ammo and mags you could have had instead of being able to brag about that shiny new LaRue. Don't get me wrong, if I hit the lotto sure. But I'll never drop that much coin again on a high end AR otherwise. Thanks for proving my point it's a shit point to begin with.. If you spend more than $1,400 on an AR in the current market, you aren't necessarily getting proportionally more rifle for your money. I've got a 1980s Colt Sporter II that runs like a top.. I bought it back during the Clinton Gun Ban days.. I've built several totally custom rifles that cost me less than $1,000 and will punch paper at moa with my limited precision rifle skills. I would never spend more than $1000 on a rifle, there may be people who can squeeze Navy SEAL accuracy out of a $2,000 AR, but you're talking about VERY FEW people in this world (and I'm certainly not one of them) I've got a build going right now that I'll spend less than $600 on. THAT rifle will do everything that 80% of the people buying/using ARs will ever need.. (but most people wont admit it) Once again, thanks, your psa's and old colt sporters are better than my kac's .
Like i said, people that cant afford high end AR's always claim their "custom" psa's they build are equal or better. Tell me what kind of cheap parts you put into your custom $600 AR? 
Even model 1's can are capable of moa groups,,doesnt make them better. |
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Once again, thanks, your psa's and old colt sporters are better than my kac's .
Like i said, people that cant afford high end AR's always claim their "custom" psa's they build are equal or better. Tell me what kind of cheap parts you put into your custom $600 AR?
Even model 1's can are capable of moa groups,,doesnt make them better. that $600 rifle is for my 8year old daughter. |
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Wow, it's bordering getting personal in here. Let's try and get back on topic. On a side note.......all 3 of my AR's are high end, least expensive is at $2,500 without add-ons. They are all LWRC and have Ambi's. I am a lefty shooter and like that feature from the factory. I have nothing against Colt, KAC, LaRue or any other manufacturer really. I have two friends who have M&P 15's and couldn't understand why I paid so much until they held it. After that, they understood why I paid what I did. As others have said, not everyone can afford them and there is nothing wrong with that. I am a believer, do not bash another product unless you have good cause. IE: Owned it and it performed very poorly, or know someone personally and it performed poorly. The flip side is also people that do not own a high end AR also bash it I think times, (not always) out of jealousy or their SO won't let them spend that kind of money, etc...
I think what the OP was inquiring to is what is today's market for a "high end" AR, which that term is pretty loose and needs to be more defined to really answer in my mind. |
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Or has the market gone so "soft" that a loss is inevitable... EVEN if originally purchased well below MSRP? You will rarely sell a rifle that is bought new without taking a loss, so yes. If I was buying any one of the 'high end' rifles that you mention used, I would not pay any more than roughly 60-70% of what a new one costs. That's provided it still looked new - any visible wear and the price drops fast. |
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Hi...is there a market for the selling of more expensive high quality AR15 Rifles ( not that cheaper ones are not good quality )... ...such as KAC, LWRC, Colt Limited "RUN" productions, JR Rifles, Wilson Combat, Daniel Defense & Ambush Arms (same)...Sig & Ruger (Piston) . I have not tried...or even looked at it? Or has the market gone so "soft" that a loss is inevitable... EVEN if originally purchased well below MSRP? I see that AR15's can now be purchased for at or around $500., such as the S&W M&P15 or Bushmasters and the like. Can it be that Avg. peeps,not versed in what goes into a KAC SR15 MOD "x" or a LWRC, D.D., Wilson or JR rifle, just "see" ALL "Black Rifles" the same? I got into AR shooting-collecting right after Sandy Hook ...but did not overpay for any Rifle, as I bought swiftly, before any shortage. "Handwriting was on the wall"...and it did come to pass, big time! Within a couple months, not an AR on the wall, here in my area. I will NEVER undersell my guns, as the time will come, ( God forbid, though ...) unfortunately, that another crisis will spark the madness of 2012-2013. Selling a couple now, that I would part with, well it seems un-doable? What gives...has the cheap "stripper" rifles made the high-end ones a tough sell? I don't buy guns with the intent to sell them for a profit, or to sell at all really. I like to buy nice ones that I plan on keeping. I would rather have 1 or two nice AR's instead of a hand full of cheap ones. |
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OP is trying to sell rifles he bought for retail after Sandy Hook and wants to know if he call sell them for a profit now. The answer is no. Any rifle bought at retail new prices will depreciate. The rifles you listed are not in high demand at all, and you can expect to lose at least 30% if you sell them. Also not tech. |
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