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Posted: 2/16/2003 2:01:09 PM EDT
| Ok, if I use a stout piece of cardboard and ducttape? whatcha think? |
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Quoted: No advantage to carrying 50-60 rounds on the weapon, as compared to carrying it somewhere else? Magpouches for the stock are also an availble, but not really an option with adjustable stocks. Oh well, I will try it anyways. You will get the advantage of having to carry all that extra weight on your rifle. As to your first question, what will happen if the cardboard and tape get wet? |
| When wet the carboard will fail, the tape will not. I see the point on the weight, so I may be better off with a better sight (aimpoint, ACOG, Eotech) and carry that weight around but be more effective on putting rounds on target. I wanted to see how heavy the gun would feel with the two mags, and I will assemble them tomorrow. Your point on weight is well made, it seems people stick stuff on without realizing how heavy the end result will be. My ar is stock 20 in with a GI barrel so she is not that heavy, but can get there pretty quick if you stick a light, scope, etc on. The idea in my mind for the two mag setup is that grab her and go, she has a reload on board. I live in a fairly rural area right by the Rio Grande River, I have killed javelina out of my parents backdoor. I live only 100 feet from them, next time it might not javelina, sooo. thanks for the advice. |
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As an armorer, I am having the duct tape mag cinch problem. Mag Cinches work okay, and I have a couple, though my carbine weighs enough already, and I am thinking about dumping the concept and going with a single 30. I issued a bunch of new carbines to my folks recently, and we were at the range familarizing with them and zeroing the EOTechs and ARMS and all of the other fun stuff. My guys who don't have mag cinches yet were breaking out the duct tape and cutting up the styrofoam blocks from the .45 ammo to make ad-hoc mag cinches. I was begging them to stop. "You'll make us look like a bunch of redneck morons and Bubbas!" I pleaded. "I issued you a $1000 carbine, with $700 worth of high-speed gear, sights and lights, and you have to use duct tape on my fine machines?" The horror. I budget for good gear. I research the latest stuff, do exhaustive T&Es, and poll this board for advice. I struggle to get the money from other Divisions. I send out requests for bids. I argue with vendors, I scrape for parts. I scrounge the DRMO system for Aimpoints and lights. I horsetrade and beg for good gear. I put together detailed syllabuses (or is it syllabi?) and arrange for instructors and range time. My guys, through lots of effort, have good, workable, capable gear, on a shoestring budget. Our taxpayers are proud of how responsible we have been with their money to equip their public servants. We have good gear, and these guys sully it with frigging DUCT TAPE! If I were a weaker man, I'd cry. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate and respect the usefulness of duct tape, and the good old MilSpec "100 Mile an Hour" tape probably saved my life, career, and maybe even the entire free world during my military service. The duct tape mag cinch does work, but dang it to hell, have a little class. Don't do it for pity's sake and spend the $15 for a real mag cinch. You can form your own opinion once you've used it for awhile. |
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Quoted: When wet the carboard will fail, the tape will not. I see the point on the weight, so I may be better off with a better sight (aimpoint, ACOG, Eotech) and carry that weight around but be more effective on putting rounds on target. I wanted to see how heavy the gun would feel with the two mags, and I will assemble them tomorrow. Your point on weight is well made, it seems people stick stuff on without realizing how heavy the end result will be. My ar is stock 20 in with a GI barrel so she is not that heavy, but can get there pretty quick if you stick a light, scope, etc on. The idea in my mind for the two mag setup is that grab her and go, she has a reload on board. I live in a fairly rural area right by the Rio Grande River, I have killed javelina out of my parents backdoor. I live only 100 feet from them, next time it might not javelina, sooo. thanks for the advice. I understand what your saying about having some extra ammo on hand. I think you hit the nail on the head. Save the increased weight for some other add-ons like scope, flashlight, etc... Just as another option for you to consider. I keep a pistol belt with a GI mag pouch, canteen, and holster that can be picked up and slung on while heading out the door with a rifle. I don't consider this the SHTF gear, just something that will allow me to carry some extra's incase I encounter more then I planned on. Another option is one of the mag carry bags that you can sling over your shoulder. Good Luck! |
| Duck it or f-word it my friend. On my CAR-15 I like doubling 30rders. It's not too heavy because of reduced weight of the CAR. But's it's really just for fun. In truth I can grab a magazine from my pouch and reload probably quicker than the time it take to try to fumble taped mags upside and jam it back in. |
| The bag idea has gone thru my mind, I will probably give that a try also. I have a well trained (on his own nickel and flesh) constable in my area, good friend of mine, has the magcinchs on his AR. I have yet to ask him how well they work in actual duty use, but got to see him in the next couple of days. Natez, good job, but some of us can't think of too many things that cannot be fixed with duct tape :<). I wish that our LE had enough training, it seems that none of the "jefes" are shooters, as a consequence real life gun handling skills are not emphasized. Lots of equip, little training. These guys carry their berretas in classic black basketweave holsters!!!! NO retention except for the strap. Yet, we have a "swat" team, that does not train but once every 6 months. Blows your mind when you think of the body count racked up right across the river in Mex. |
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I will also note that when using a mag cinch on M16/M4 type weapons, particularly in FA, the top round on the mag not in the well will often walk forward from recoil. If you aren't ready for it or looking for it, it can make mag changes difficult. I wonder if adding an increased power spring, like the ones from Wolff Gunsprings would help. I haven't noted any issues with the mag cinches and MP5s or 9mm Colts. That was (mostly) a tounge-in-cheek post. Tape away, but bear in mind that it looks cheesy. We train hard and have good gear, and seeing as how I am responsible for setting up training and buying gear, I do get a little offended when folks don't treat "my" gear with what I consider to be an appropriate amount of respect, and putting duct tape on a new M4 Carbine just bothers me for some reason. |
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What about the Redi-Mag? Keeps the spare mag dry too and free of debris. Relatively cheap...about $50 or so. Easy to install. I used to put my on and take it off frequently cause I wasn't sure if I liked it there. But my preban with a 16" fluted barrel and A3 upper w/ EoTech doesn't weigh much to start with. So I mounted the Redi-Mag one last time and there it stays. I like the idea of being able to toss the AR in the cab of the truck or in a corner of a camp and know it's "Redi" with 60 rounds. [sarcasm]Doesn't weigh that much ya wimps![/sarcasm] [;)] Once again to each their own. But I like the Redi-Mag on my light carbine. But I certainly wouldn't mount it on a 20" HBar, that'd be a tad heavy. Realistically, if 30 rounds won't get you out of a mess, then chances are 60 won't either. Edited to add: But 60 is a nice option to have within your immediate reach. |
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Quoted: The bag idea has gone thru my mind, I will probably give that a try also. I have a well trained (on his own nickel and flesh) constable in my area, good friend of mine, has the magcinchs on his AR. I have yet to ask him how well they work in actual duty use, but got to see him in the next couple of days. Natez, good job, but some of us can't think of too many things that cannot be fixed with duct tape :<). I wish that our LE had enough training, it seems that none of the "jefes" are shooters, as a consequence real life gun handling skills are not emphasized. Lots of equip, little training. These guys carry their berretas in classic black basketweave holsters!!!! NO retention except for the strap. Yet, we have a "swat" team, that does not train but once every 6 months. Blows your mind when you think of the body count racked up right across the river in Mex. My dept. also only issues the level one holster, with just a thumbsnap keeping the piston in. Quite scary, if you ask me. I went out and bought a level three, I can say, from the LEO perspective that a mag cinch is attractive in the sense that if I have to pull the carbine from the truck, I am most likely NOT going to have time to put all the extra shit in my already filled/obscured pockets. The MagCinch puts an extra mag or two with the weapon, ready to go. |
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I have been a lurker here from time to time and recently had a reason to register and post. Ya'll have a really good site for AR owners. I have learned a little about mine here. The reason for the post is this. When I was a Marine Infantryman, I took to taping magazines together. The way I did it allowed two magazines to fit in a two mag pouch and two joined and one loose mag would fit in a three mag pouch. I made a more solid version this weekend and was wondering about what ya'll would think about such a thing. I am not thinking about using this for trips to the range or coyote hunting. I am thinking MOUT in the military and SWAT operations. I am currently making inquiries about the patent process and intend to put this idea before the military in some capacity. I would appreciate any feedback you might have for me. I have heard good things about this bunch. If i don't get a repky in a couple days, I will probably post my own thread on this. THanks. |
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