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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:39:45 PM EDT
| Need to pin and weld muzzle devices on multiple rifle a. How difficult is it to do properly? |
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Need to pin and weld muzzle devices on multiple rifle a. How difficult is it to do properly? What type of welding are you equipped to do? What exact materials do you want to weld together? I could go on and on but your should get the point …. a lot more info is needed |
Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. 
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Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Sometimes you just don't want that much length out in front. Easier to use a short barrel and then the flash hider to get to the legal length. |
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Quoted: Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. People have their reasons. While I am away at college in PA which is a relativly free state, I really got into firearms. I became a resident of PA and began my humble collection. As the poster before me stated there are advantages to a shorter barrel. The reason I needed one that was unpinned was to be able to attach a compensator or muzzle brake of my choice. In NEW JERSEY where I am from they have ridiculous criteria classifying assualt weapons, one of the evil features being a flash hider, and next spring after I graduate I will be moving back to work in my field. So this allows me to put on a compensator and be in compliance. 
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So- if 16" is the legal length, add 1 1/4 or 1 1/2" flash hider, or hell, just a simple thread protector, vs buy a 14 1/2" barrel, spend whatever for a minimum 1 1/2" plus flash hider, pay someone (or do it yourself) to make it legal 16", how is it you dont have the same length out front, just paying extra for it? Where is the justification?
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Sometimes you just don't want that much length out in front. Easier to use a short barrel and then the flash hider to get to the legal length. Quoted:
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Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Sometimes you just don't want that much length out in front. Easier to use a short barrel and then the flash hider to get to the legal length. |
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Quoted: So- if 16" is the legal length, add 1 1/4 or 1 1/2" flash hider, or hell, just a simple thread protector, vs buy a 14 1/2" barrel, spend whatever for a minimum 1 1/2" plus flash hider, pay someone (or do it yourself) to make it legal 16", how is it you dont have the same length out front, just paying extra for it? Where is the justification? And how the "Flock" is it easier? Quoted: So- if 16" is the legal length, add 1 1/4 or 1 1/2" flash hider, or hell, just a simple thread protector, vs buy a 14 1/2" barrel, spend whatever for a minimum 1 1/2" plus flash hider, pay someone (or do it yourself) to make it legal 16", how is it you dont have the same length out front, just paying extra for it? Where is the justification? And how the "Flock" is it easier? Quoted: Quoted: Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Sometimes you just don't want that much length out in front. Easier to use a short barrel and then the flash hider to get to the legal length. Seriously? You really dont get it? The justification is in the extra 1 1/2 or whateve inch that you drop on the 14.5/14.7 inch barrel. Youre shortening up the barrel and its perfectly legal. From what I understand you wont loose too much fps either. To each their own. If you dont like it dont roll with it. |
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Its not hard at all. If the FH/MB isn't pre drilled then a drill press will be best IMO. Once the whole is drilled through the FH then all you need to do is dimple the threads so when you drop in a pin it can't be unscrewed. Then have your girlfriends dad spot weld the hole (cause I bet he can weld better than you.).
I've done two but had my shop mechanic weld the spot for me. |
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Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. A 14.5 barrel w/ pinned and welded muzzle device is still shorter than a 16 inch barrel w/ muzzle device. |
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If you have access to a TIG welder, and are familiar with using a drill press; your blind pin will come out looking professional. http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/AVIDavid1982/photo_zps675879dd.jpg http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/AVIDavid1982/photo_zpse07cdc0e.jpg http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/AVIDavid1982/image_zps1083b346.jpg I love the color heat put into the tip of the prongs. Looks awesome |
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Quoted: Then have your girlfriends dad spot weld the hole (cause I bet he can weld better than you. ).I lol'd  Someone offered to do a blind pin for me on another forum, is that acceptable for nfa standards? Also I assume if its good enough for the nfa its good enough for nj, (of course I will daable check that  )
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Someone offered to do a blind pin for me on another forum, is that acceptable for nfa standards? Also I assume if its good enough for the nfa its good enough for nj, (of course I will daable check that )Quoted:
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Then have your girlfriends dad spot weld the hole (cause I bet he can weld better than you. ).
I lol'd
Someone offered to do a blind pin for me on another forum, is that acceptable for nfa standards? Also I assume if its good enough for the nfa its good enough for nj, (of course I will daable check that )My understanding is if they can't block the barrel in a vise and wrench the muzzle brake /comp off, it's good to go. At the top of this section's page is a how-to that covers using a piece of wire coat hanger as a blind pin. |
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So- if 16" is the legal length, add 1 1/4 or 1 1/2" flash hider, or hell, just a simple thread protector, vs buy a 14 1/2" barrel, spend whatever for a minimum 1 1/2" plus flash hider, pay someone (or do it yourself) to make it legal 16", how is it you dont have the same length out front, just paying extra for it? Where is the justification? And how the "Flock" is it easier? Quoted:
So- if 16" is the legal length, add 1 1/4 or 1 1/2" flash hider, or hell, just a simple thread protector, vs buy a 14 1/2" barrel, spend whatever for a minimum 1 1/2" plus flash hider, pay someone (or do it yourself) to make it legal 16", how is it you dont have the same length out front, just paying extra for it? Where is the justification? And how the "Flock" is it easier? Quoted:
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Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Sometimes you just don't want that much length out in front. Easier to use a short barrel and then the flash hider to get to the legal length. Not going to steer anyone with this but, for an inch and a half or less, why go through the hassle. Can't change barrel nuts or anything in front of it with any pinned/welded muzzle device I know of. Why give up serviceability for so little gain and less velocity. |
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Not going to steer anyone with this but, for an inch and a half or less, why go through the hassle. Can't change barrel nuts or anything in front of it with any pinned/welded muzzle device I know of. Why give up serviceability for so little gain and less velocity. Quoted:
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So- if 16" is the legal length, add 1 1/4 or 1 1/2" flash hider, or hell, just a simple thread protector, vs buy a 14 1/2" barrel, spend whatever for a minimum 1 1/2" plus flash hider, pay someone (or do it yourself) to make it legal 16", how is it you dont have the same length out front, just paying extra for it? Where is the justification? And how the "Flock" is it easier? Quoted:
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Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Sometimes you just don't want that much length out in front. Easier to use a short barrel and then the flash hider to get to the legal length. Not going to steer anyone with this but, for an inch and a half or less, why go through the hassle. Can't change barrel nuts or anything in front of it with any pinned/welded muzzle device I know of. Why give up serviceability for so little gain and less velocity. Not gonna argue pros and cons. Its a matter of personal preference. |
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Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. I laugh at it all the time. |
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This Bravo flash hider comes with the hole already drilled in the hider, a crush washer and the pin. All that is left to do is dimple the barrel and weld.
Predrilled Flash Hider |
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Not going to steer anyone with this but, for an inch and a half or less, why go through the hassle. Can't change barrel nuts or anything in front of it with any pinned/welded muzzle device I know of. Why give up serviceability for so little gain and less velocity. Quoted:
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So- if 16" is the legal length, add 1 1/4 or 1 1/2" flash hider, or hell, just a simple thread protector, vs buy a 14 1/2" barrel, spend whatever for a minimum 1 1/2" plus flash hider, pay someone (or do it yourself) to make it legal 16", how is it you dont have the same length out front, just paying extra for it? Where is the justification? And how the "Flock" is it easier? Quoted:
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Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Sometimes you just don't want that much length out in front. Easier to use a short barrel and then the flash hider to get to the legal length. Not going to steer anyone with this but, for an inch and a half or less, why go through the hassle. Can't change barrel nuts or anything in front of it with any pinned/welded muzzle device I know of. Why give up serviceability for so little gain and less velocity. Oh but you can be fully servicable with this one... Voodoo Manimal |
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Quoted: Or a 16" barrel and not worry with the welding or silver solder. Quoted: Quoted: I should probably find a gunsmith Or a 16" barrel and not worry with the welding or silver solder. Quoted: Someone please explain to me why would someone buy a barrel that is less than legal length, then go to the trouble and expense of pinning/welding an extension on it so that it becomes legal length? Seems to me it would make more sense, be more economical, and make future mods easier, by just buy a legal length barrel and put your choice of extension on it for free? It just doesn't make any sense to me. People have their reasons. While I am away at college in PA which is a relativly free state, I really got into firearms. I became a resident of PA and began my humble collection. As the poster before me stated there are advantages to a shorter barrel. The reason I needed one that was unpinned was to be able to attach a compensator or muzzle brake of my choice. In NEW JERSEY where I am from they have ridiculous criteria classifying assualt weapons, one of the evil features being a flash hider, and next spring after I graduate I will be moving back to work in my field. So this allows me to put on a compensator and be in compliance. |
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