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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:24:49 PM EDT
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So I am looking into getting an AR for multiple reasons.
#1 Fun! #2 Hopefully I will be able to do some beginner competitions with it and maybe a couple carbine classes. #3 home defense in the case of a natural disaster, collapse of society etc. That being said I believe what I want is an m4 replica style rifle. I have priced out the parts to build a rifle myself With Spikes lower, Spikes LPS, Magpul Furniture and a Spikes upper. I can get the one I like for $752 / $777 after paying an ffl. My question is for what I want it for SHTF / competitions is this a good choice? Should I be looking lower price range? Saving another year for a $1500 rifle? (I say year because it took me at least that long to get an okay from the wife) Should I be getting a piston driven instead? Is the Spikes setup a medium to high end setup? If not Can it be as I exchange parts out over time? Thanks for your input. Hoping to have something on order by this evening. |
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So I am looking into getting an AR for multiple reasons. #1 Fun! #2 Hopefully I will be able to do some beginner competitions with it and maybe a couple carbine classes. #3 home defense in the case of a natural disaster, collapse of society etc. That being said I believe what I want is an m4 replica style rifle. I have priced out the parts to build a rifle myself With Spikes lower, Spikes LPS, Magpul Furniture and a Spikes upper. I can get the one I like for $752 / $777 after paying an ffl. My question is for what I want it for SHTF / competitions is this a good choice? Should I be looking lower price range? Saving another year for a $1500 rifle? (I say year because it took me at least that long to get an okay from the wife) Should I be getting a piston driven instead? Is the Spikes setup a medium to high end setup? If not Can it be as I exchange parts out over time? Thanks for your input. Hoping to have something on order by this evening. My question is for what I want it for SHTF / competitions is this a good choice? M4 for SHTF is a great choice, not sure about competitions. IMHO, everyone's first AR should be an M4. Should I be looking lower price range? Only if you want to build. You can build a better gun for cheaper, but it's not nearly as easy. First gun should probably be a production gun. Reverse engineer it. If you build you would need at least some tools. You can build some pretty solid rifles with uppers and BCGs from PSA, Daniel Defense, or BCM, for under 700 dollars. Saving another year for a $1500 rifle? You would be looking at a noveske or a knights. IMO, you might not be able to get them in a year. Gun is a gun. Your first rifle should NOT be a showpiece. Also, these people with 1 high dollar rifle, are doing it wrong. 2 is 1 and 1 is none. 3 ARs is the minimum for ensuring you have an operational gun for years to come. Parts break. You should NOT wait. I'd rather have 3 beaters than 1 Noveske(if they were the only ARs I could ever own), but that's just me. (I say year because it took me at least that long to get an okay from the wife) Strike while the iron is hot. Should I be getting a piston driven instead? No. You can get a pretty good one for 599, an adams arms blem from buds. However, skip it. You only want one of those if you already have a bunch of DI guns and you want some flavor. Remember, parts break. You won't be able to buy Ar15s forever. Once liberty is lost, it's impossible to get it back. Ask fully automatic guns. Is the Spikes setup a medium to high end setup? I would say solid upper medium. The next step up is a Colt LE6920, which is what I would recommend you get. They are between 850 and 900 at wal-mart. If not Can it be as I exchange parts out over time? ARs are completely modular. You can change out any part. The only serialized part is the stripped lower receiver. You can change that out as well, but replacing it requires a trip to the FFL. PS You may want to change out the trigger on your gun. Don't spend a bunch on a sight....just buy another AR with that money. You can always buy a sight, get ARs while you can. Get use to irons first anyway, get a carry handle or a flip up mbus. |
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I can build better for cheaper? Please do tell. Here is what I'm looking at currently.
From AIM Spike's Tactical 6-Position Mil.-Spec. Buffer tube kit $69.95 Spike's Tactical Multi. Cal. Honey Badger AR Receiver $89.95 Spikes Tactical 16" M4 5.56/.223 URG $499.95 From Cheaper than dirt. Spike's Tactical AR-15 Lower Parts Kit LPK SLPK101 $62.82 AR-15 MOE Carbine Stock Magpul Mil-Spec Flat Dark Earth Rubber Butt Pad Drop In Replacement $28.93 I will also need a rear flip up site, and to pay $20-$25 to an FFL to handle it. IF you know of better options for a first m4 under $750 (less is much better) please do tell. |
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My question is for what I want it for SHTF / competitions is this a good choice? M4 for SHTF is a great choice, not sure about competitions. IMHO, everyone's first AR should be an M4. Should I be looking lower price range? Only if you want to build. You can build a better gun for cheaper, but it's not nearly as easy. First gun should probably be a production gun. Reverse engineer it. If you build you would need at least some tools. You can build some pretty solid rifles with uppers and BCGs from PSA, Daniel Defense, or BCM, for under 700 dollars. Saving another year for a $1500 rifle? You would be looking at a noveske or a knights. IMO, you might not be able to get them in a year. Gun is a gun. Your first rifle should NOT be a showpiece. Also, these people with 1 high dollar rifle, are doing it wrong. 2 is 1 and 1 is none. 3 ARs is the minimum for ensuring you have an operational gun for years to come. Parts break. You should NOT wait. I'd rather have 3 beaters than 1 Noveske(if they were the only ARs I could ever own), but that's just me. (I say year because it took me at least that long to get an okay from the wife) Strike while the iron is hot. Should I be getting a piston driven instead? No. You can get a pretty good one for 599, an adams arms blem from buds. However, skip it. You only want one of those if you already have a bunch of DI guns and you want some flavor. Remember, parts break. You won't be able to buy Ar15s forever. Once liberty is lost, it's impossible to get it back. Ask fully automatic guns. Is the Spikes setup a medium to high end setup? I would say solid upper medium. The next step up is a Colt LE6920, which is what I would recommend you get. They are between 850 and 900 at wal-mart. If not Can it be as I exchange parts out over time? ARs are completely modular. You can change out any part. The only serialized part is the stripped lower receiver. You can change that out as well, but replacing it requires a trip to the FFL. PS You may want to change out the trigger on your gun. Don't spend a bunch on a sight....just buy another AR with that money. You can always buy a sight, get ARs while you can. Get use to irons first anyway, get a carry handle or a flip up mbus. Quoted:
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So I am looking into getting an AR for multiple reasons. #1 Fun! #2 Hopefully I will be able to do some beginner competitions with it and maybe a couple carbine classes. #3 home defense in the case of a natural disaster, collapse of society etc. That being said I believe what I want is an m4 replica style rifle. I have priced out the parts to build a rifle myself With Spikes lower, Spikes LPS, Magpul Furniture and a Spikes upper. I can get the one I like for $752 / $777 after paying an ffl. My question is for what I want it for SHTF / competitions is this a good choice? Should I be looking lower price range? Saving another year for a $1500 rifle? (I say year because it took me at least that long to get an okay from the wife) Should I be getting a piston driven instead? Is the Spikes setup a medium to high end setup? If not Can it be as I exchange parts out over time? Thanks for your input. Hoping to have something on order by this evening. My question is for what I want it for SHTF / competitions is this a good choice? M4 for SHTF is a great choice, not sure about competitions. IMHO, everyone's first AR should be an M4. Should I be looking lower price range? Only if you want to build. You can build a better gun for cheaper, but it's not nearly as easy. First gun should probably be a production gun. Reverse engineer it. If you build you would need at least some tools. You can build some pretty solid rifles with uppers and BCGs from PSA, Daniel Defense, or BCM, for under 700 dollars. Saving another year for a $1500 rifle? You would be looking at a noveske or a knights. IMO, you might not be able to get them in a year. Gun is a gun. Your first rifle should NOT be a showpiece. Also, these people with 1 high dollar rifle, are doing it wrong. 2 is 1 and 1 is none. 3 ARs is the minimum for ensuring you have an operational gun for years to come. Parts break. You should NOT wait. I'd rather have 3 beaters than 1 Noveske(if they were the only ARs I could ever own), but that's just me. (I say year because it took me at least that long to get an okay from the wife) Strike while the iron is hot. Should I be getting a piston driven instead? No. You can get a pretty good one for 599, an adams arms blem from buds. However, skip it. You only want one of those if you already have a bunch of DI guns and you want some flavor. Remember, parts break. You won't be able to buy Ar15s forever. Once liberty is lost, it's impossible to get it back. Ask fully automatic guns. Is the Spikes setup a medium to high end setup? I would say solid upper medium. The next step up is a Colt LE6920, which is what I would recommend you get. They are between 850 and 900 at wal-mart. If not Can it be as I exchange parts out over time? ARs are completely modular. You can change out any part. The only serialized part is the stripped lower receiver. You can change that out as well, but replacing it requires a trip to the FFL. PS You may want to change out the trigger on your gun. Don't spend a bunch on a sight....just buy another AR with that money. You can always buy a sight, get ARs while you can. Get use to irons first anyway, get a carry handle or a flip up mbus. Well said |
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I can build better for cheaper? Please do tell. Here is what I'm looking at currently. From AIM Spike's Tactical 6-Position Mil.-Spec. Buffer tube kit $69.95 Spike's Tactical Multi. Cal. Honey Badger AR Receiver $89.95 Spikes Tactical 16" M4 5.56/.223 URG $499.95 From Cheaper than dirt. Spike's Tactical AR-15 Lower Parts Kit LPK SLPK101 $62.82 AR-15 MOE Carbine Stock Magpul Mil-Spec Flat Dark Earth Rubber Butt Pad Drop In Replacement $28.93 I will also need a rear flip up site, and to pay $20-$25 to an FFL to handle it. IF you know of better options for a first m4 under $750 (less is much better) please do tell. First let me say, it is highly subjective what is "better." Thus I'm not calling this "better" but it's a little cheaper and it is an M4 build I just finished. $415 BCM Blem Middy M4 style upper w/o CH or Handguards Free BCM BCG Free Mod 0 Comp $30 MOE Handguards $85 Palmetto State Armory MOE QMS LPK $50 PSA Classic Premium M4 Stock Kit Black $65 Anderson stripped Lower $15 Standard CH $660 shipped I'm not sure if BCM has the blems in stock anymore. The above mentioned parts are all BCG laser etched standard parts, which is kinda a thing in the AR world(branding). You can replace the LPK with something cheaper, that setup has MOE furniture and a better trigger than the spikes out of the box(I assume). Kick the cost down a bit. You could use that to upgrade to a prettier lower if you don't like the rollmark. You could also go with a PSA CHF upper, which will have a better barrel than the BCM blem(for longevity) and would be a bit cheaper, but you'd have to buy a BCG(BCM is giving away some of the best BCGs in the business, with their uppers right now). Cold hammer forging is a process that creates a little more durable barrel with a thicker chrome lining which is good(ETA: chrome lining sticks to it better, is my understanding, and FN at least, offers a thicker job in their CHFs). I built a PSA freedom recently for a good bit cheaper, with a stainless Wilson barrel and a MI Gen 2 SS float tube on it, but it's probably not an ideal first gun. Kind of a recce setup. If you wait around for deals, you can get some really good stuff. I ordered 2 of those blem uppers when they were in stock last thursday and friday. There is also this upper: http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar15-m16-stripped-upper-receiver-groups-prod54564.aspx Which could build a HELL OF AN AR for the money, but you don't get the free bcg(like the BCM) so it would cost you an extra 80 bucks from DSArms(industry partner) over the other build. That said, your first AR, go with a production model imho. It's way easier and in the end will probably be a little cheaper as well, because you get to building, you won't stop. |
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I can build better for cheaper? Please do tell. Here is what I'm looking at currently. From AIM Spike's Tactical 6-Position Mil.-Spec. Buffer tube kit $69.95 Spike's Tactical Multi. Cal. Honey Badger AR Receiver $89.95 Spikes Tactical 16" M4 5.56/.223 URG $499.95 From Cheaper than dirt. Spike's Tactical AR-15 Lower Parts Kit LPK SLPK101 $62.82 AR-15 MOE Carbine Stock Magpul Mil-Spec Flat Dark Earth Rubber Butt Pad Drop In Replacement $28.93 I will also need a rear flip up site, and to pay $20-$25 to an FFL to handle it. IF you know of better options for a first m4 under $750 (less is much better) please do tell. Don't buy from cheaper than dirt. Look up what they did after a major shooting recently. |
| you get what you pay for. Don't fool yourself into thinking that a $500 gun is made to the same criteria as a $1500 gun. You can buy some really nice, well made AR's for around $800 now. I dont like to stack tolerances so i buy complete uppers and lowers. But there are plenty of frankenguns out there that run absolutely fine. Not to mention i dont have the hardware to install a barrel either. |
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you get what you pay for. Don't fool yourself into thinking that a $500 gun is made to the same criteria as a $1500 gun. You can buy some really nice, well made AR's for around $800 now. I dont like to stack tolerances so i buy complete uppers and lowers. But there are plenty of frankenguns out there that run absolutely fine. Not to mention i dont have the hardware to install a barrel either. I tend to run completed uppers for just that reason, unless I'm dropping in a WOA or a Noveske. Plus now days it's cheaper to buy a complete upper than to piece one together. That said, if you aren't dabbling in stripped lower building, you are missing out on a lot of fun, my 2 cents. |
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I'm looking up a lot of what you priced out for the $660, can you by chance elaborate on the acronyms I'm not familiar with many of them and google isn't helping much. $415 BCM Blem Middy M4 style upper w/o CH or Handguards Free BCM BCG Free Mod 0 Comp $30 MOE Handguards $85 Palmetto State Armory MOE QMS LPK $50 PSA Classic Premium M4 Stock Kit Black $65 Anderson stripped Lower $15 Standard CH BCM = Bravo company BCG = Bolt Carrier group Comp = compensator MOE = proprietary name for a magpul line of products(not sure what is stands for) LPK = Lower parts kit QMS = abbreviation for the Quality Mil Spec trigger by ALG manufacturing PSA = palmetto state armory CH = Charging handle You need an upper and a lower receiver. A barreled upper receiver will save you a lot of tools. Then you need a bolt carrier group and a charging handle. You need a lower parts kit(trigger, trigger guard, pistol grip, and all the nicks and nacks), a stock, a foregrip, and a buffer tube kit(buffer tube, spring, buffer). You can buy a completed lower off PSA(just google palmetto state armory) and a complete Premium CHF(cold hammer forged) upper off there for pretty cheap and just snap them together. |
| stick with spikes, or for a little more the BCM, but let me suggest, if you really intent to run it for SHTF, that you get a cold hammer forged barrel. My first AR was a stainless barreled competition gun. The second was a BCM BFH upper. (then the third was stainless, the fourth CHF, the fifth stainless, the sixth was unlined M16A1 barrel, the seventh has a chrome lined barrel, soon to be CHF as well and so on with the BRD, what was I saying? Oh, yeah, I would have done differently is not starting with stainless. |
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Remember Filthy 14 is not a CHF barrel, it's the standard BCM barrel.
http://www.slip2000.com/blog/s-w-a-t-magazine-filthy-14/ So, if the CHF barrel is way more, you can safely skip it. It's GTG for 36,000+ rounds with zero care(which is over 11,000 dollars worth of XM193). ETA: Odds are, if you are like many, your gun may never see 2,000 rounds. |
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I can build better for cheaper? Please do tell. Here is what I'm looking at currently. From AIM Spike's Tactical 6-Position Mil.-Spec. Buffer tube kit $69.95 PSA runs deals for $40 Spike's Tactical Multi. Cal. Honey Badger AR Receiver $89.95 BLEM PSA lower $50 Spikes Tactical 16" M4 5.56/.223 URG $499.95 PSA CHF at Aim surplus $310 (you will need a CH and BCG so add another $150) From Cheaper than dirt. Spike's Tactical AR-15 Lower Parts Kit LPK SLPK101 $62.82 CCMG LPK $60 AR-15 MOE Carbine Stock Magpul Mil-Spec Flat Dark Earth Rubber Butt Pad Drop In Replacement $28.93 I will also need a rear flip up site, and to pay $20-$25 to an FFL to handle it. IF you know of better options for a first m4 under $750 (less is much better) please do tell. I am not advertising PSA but they make good products and their CHF barrel is one of the best and this route saves you roughly $100 |
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I can build better for cheaper? Please do tell. Here is what I'm looking at currently. From AIM Spike's Tactical 6-Position Mil.-Spec. Buffer tube kit $69.95 PSA runs deals for $40 Spike's Tactical Multi. Cal. Honey Badger AR Receiver $89.95 BLEM PSA lower $50 Spikes Tactical 16" M4 5.56/.223 URG $499.95 PSA CHF at Aim surplus $310 (you will need a CH and BCG so add another $150) From Cheaper than dirt. Spike's Tactical AR-15 Lower Parts Kit LPK SLPK101 $62.82 CCMG LPK $60 AR-15 MOE Carbine Stock Magpul Mil-Spec Flat Dark Earth Rubber Butt Pad Drop In Replacement $28.93 I will also need a rear flip up site, and to pay $20-$25 to an FFL to handle it. IF you know of better options for a first m4 under $750 (less is much better) please do tell. I am not advertising PSA but they make good products and their CHF barrel is one of the best and this route saves you roughly $100 Yeah, I want me one of those CHF barrels pretty bad, despite me having absolutely no use for it. |
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I'm really torn between the PSA upper with the CHF now and the BCM Blem upper...
How do you make that decision :D If I'm only going to ever fire 10-15k rounds through it (that's unlikely but lets say for fun it will be that much) which one is a better buy and why? |
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Excellent choice. Best deal going right now IMO.
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Okay I believe they are out of the blem units so I'm going to go with the BCM 16" upper for $439.00 Sounds like this is better or equal quality and a lower price than the spikes. Now to keep going with the build :D |
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I'm now between the PSA AR-15 Complete Lower - BLACKHAWK! Edition - No Magazine $129
and a Palmetto State Armory Premium Classic Lower Build Kit $109.99 and I still have to purchase a stripped lower. Any advice on this decision? Is the complete going to have the same quality of parts? |
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Any advice between those? One has a lower and one doesn't? You didn't provide links and I am not searching. If that is the case, decide if you want to build out a lower. Looks like a pretty good deal on the complete. I am not a Blackhawk! fan, and would go for the classic, but that is a great deal on the complete for a first AR |
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http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/10301/
for the 109 incomplete and http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/10301/ for the complete. Hopefully that helps. I just wanna make sure the ati is as reliable as the psa stuff will be. Heck it may have a PSA LPK I couldn't tell. |
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There are several good choices out there. Without reading the whole thread I'll just say this. Spikes would be a good choice. I have a few. All have been great. One plus I see after years of frequenting this board is Spikes has exceptional service. But it's unlikely you will ever need it. They are one of the few that if they even see someone ask a question that resembles a problem, they are offering to fix it right now. Other places vary in difficulty to contact or might take months to resolve a problem.
Joe Bobs has a good selection of Spike uppers right now. A good pick might be this Assembling your lower will save some parts swapping down the road. Or you could get a complete rifle from AIM and be shooting the day you get it and upgrade buttstock and handguards later. |
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I've heard mixed reviews on the blackhawk.
I've built lowers from PSA, Seekins, Spikes, Aero Precision and Smith & Wesson. My favorite 2 were Spikes and Aero Precision....better finish IMO...but to be fair the Seekins was a first run of their forged lower and they're really nice too. I'd jump on this in a heart beat from Primary Arms: $139.99 Primary is an industry partner here and have some of the best customer service around. |
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I've decided to pass on the spikes full setup. I'm now between the two lowers I posted and an bcm upper. Looking for some insight between the full lower I posted and the kit + a stripped lower? Great! I hope I had something to do with that haha. Spikes is fine, but BCM or DD are my top choice. Don't miss the free BCG deal, it is only temporary and that cuts 80 to 200 dollars off the build. |
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Sorry I don't have a lot of time to post the Aero linked is a great deal. If you want to build, Anderson stripped lowers are cheap and you can get a LPK with a QMS trigger in it. That is pretty important. You either want to get a stag LPK which has a good trigger(all of them do) or a LPK from WOA or PSA that has a "QMS trigger" in it. The QMS trigger is made by the wife of the guy who owns geissele automatics, and it is a great cheap milspec trigger that can be altered with JP springs to be an amazing trigger or left as is to be a good and super dependable trigger.
You won't have to spend any extra money later if you get a lower or a LPK with a good trigger. Save as much money as you can on a stripped lower. Get a PSA or an Anderson. Both of those parts are high quality milspec parts for very cheap. Spend the money where it matters, the barrel, trigger, optics, bcg. You made a great decision with the BCM. The rest is just icing on the cake. |
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Quoted: Sorry I don't have a lot of time to post the Aero linked is a great deal. If you want to build, Anderson stripped lowers are cheap and you can get a LPK with a QMS trigger in it. That is pretty important. You either want to get a stag LPK which has a good trigger(all of them do) or a LPK from WOA or PSA that has a "QMS trigger" in it. The QMS trigger is made by the wife of the guy who owns geissele automatics, and it is a great cheap milspec trigger that can be altered with JP springs to be an amazing trigger or left as is to be a good and super dependable trigger. You won't have to spend any extra money later if you get a lower or a LPK with a good trigger. Save as much money as you can on a stripped lower. Get a PSA or an Anderson. Both of those parts are high quality milspec parts for very cheap. Spend the money where it matters, the barrel, trigger, optics, bcg. You made a great decision with the BCM. The rest is just icing on the cake. You are getting close to giving misinformation, and you are definitely giving your opinion as fact. An aftermarket trigger isn't necessary for a lot of people. Not ALL Stag kits have a good trigger.
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http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/10301/ for the 109 incomplete and http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/10301/ for the complete. Hopefully that helps. I just wanna make sure the ati is as reliable as the psa stuff will be. Heck it may have a PSA LPK I couldn't tell. Not really, it is a copy of a URL...TWICE. I see the incomplete. Looks good, buy it. Use the hyperlink button in the future. People can just click on it. It makes people more apt to help you when you do most of the work, and they just click it. That build kit you posted is a good kit, and now you can pick a good lower with the rollmark you like. HERE is the hotlink to the lower build kit you posted above. |
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Okay let try this....
Complete Lower or Option B (Needs lower receiver still) |
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It's gonna be hard to beat the complete lower option. You haven't been doing this long enough to have favorite parts like some of us, so that will get you in the game cheap. I like to keep upper and lower receivers from the same company , but as soon as you start playing that game you start spending more.
I like Mega uppers and lowers, vltor A5 buffer systems, Daniel Defense parts kits, G2S triggers, magpul moe grips and stocks....bam,$500 lower lol. Think about an ALG trigger or a geiselle G2S for a trigger if you can swing it. It's almost guaranteed your budget lower will have a gritty, nasty trigger. |
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Stag is an OEM supplier to many manufacturers for their LPKs. They are also known as CMT (Continental Machine and Tool). You are getting close to giving misinformation, and you are definitely giving your opinion as fact. An aftermarket trigger isn't necessary for a lot of people. Not ALL Stag kits have a good trigger. Quoted:
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Sorry I don't have a lot of time to post the Aero linked is a great deal. If you want to build, Anderson stripped lowers are cheap and you can get a LPK with a QMS trigger in it. That is pretty important. You either want to get a stag LPK which has a good trigger(all of them do) or a LPK from WOA or PSA that has a "QMS trigger" in it. The QMS trigger is made by the wife of the guy who owns geissele automatics, and it is a great cheap milspec trigger that can be altered with JP springs to be an amazing trigger or left as is to be a good and super dependable trigger. You won't have to spend any extra money later if you get a lower or a LPK with a good trigger. Save as much money as you can on a stripped lower. Get a PSA or an Anderson. Both of those parts are high quality milspec parts for very cheap. Spend the money where it matters, the barrel, trigger, optics, bcg. You made a great decision with the BCM. The rest is just icing on the cake. You are getting close to giving misinformation, and you are definitely giving your opinion as fact. An aftermarket trigger isn't necessary for a lot of people. Not ALL Stag kits have a good trigger. I would recommend he go with the complete lower... I said this earlier in the thread and thought it carried over, when he directly asked me for some particulars about my first post: First let me say, it is highly subjective what is "better." Thus I'm not calling this "better" but it's a little cheaper and it is an M4 build I just finished. I could have said most about the Stag LPK triggers and followed it with "according to general consensus that I'm aware of and my personal experience." Never meant to portray my opinions facts. One cannot state facts on an subjective discussion like which one is best or what is "good" or not. Not ALL Larue's are good guns, but most of them are. That's my opinion. I would suppose that most of my opinions in this thread are in line with the general consensus. BCM makes good guns. Stag makes a good LPK for the money. Aftermarket triggers are good things if you have a gritty trigger(which you may avoid by buying a LPK with an aftermarket trigger bundled), the ALG stuff is a good cheap option, and (this one's new but growing)Anderson lowers are gtg when building on a budget. Now I agree with you on everything you've said. 100%, and I do agree that I should not come across as a direct authority when I post. I've built a lot of ARs but I don't design them or build them professionally. Everything I write is my opinion. I still recommend going with the complete lower. I even recommended he go with a production whole gun, but if the man want's to build, more power to him. IMHO he will get a better gun picking a choosing his parts. I don't use Stag LPKs personally, but the one's I tried have decent triggers. Not trying to be argumentative, just don't want any misunderstanding of one of my posts in this thread, without the context of the earlier discussion. |
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Okay I went with BCM 16" upper for $439.00
and the PSA Complete lower with Blackhawk Stock Ordered a standard charging handle from amazon for $13.99 A PSA flip up sight. Cheap m4 style handguard until I can afford to purchase the metal ones I want. I'm really happy with how hard it hit my wallet and how many quality parts I was able to pick up doing it this way. Thanks for all the help. I will have to let you all know how it turns out. |
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Okay I went with BCM 16" upper for $439.00 and the PSA Complete lower with Blackhawk Stock Ordered a standard charging handle from amazon for $13.99 A PSA flip up sight. Cheap m4 style handguard until I can afford to purchase the metal ones I want. I'm really happy with how hard it hit my wallet and how many quality parts I was able to pick up doing it this way. Thanks for all the help. I will have to let you all know how it turns out. Tag for range report. Awesome build. Can't wait to see how it turns out. You're gonna love that upper. BCM BCG, upper, and barrel. Real nice stuff. |
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Congrats! That upper ought to be sweet! Tag for range report. Awesome build. Can't wait to see how it turns out. You're gonna love that upper. BCM BCG, upper, and barrel. Real nice stuff. Quoted:
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Okay I went with BCM 16" upper for $439.00 and the PSA Complete lower with Blackhawk Stock Ordered a standard charging handle from amazon for $13.99 A PSA flip up sight. Cheap m4 style handguard until I can afford to purchase the metal ones I want. I'm really happy with how hard it hit my wallet and how many quality parts I was able to pick up doing it this way. Thanks for all the help. I will have to let you all know how it turns out. Congrats! That upper ought to be sweet! Tag for range report. Awesome build. Can't wait to see how it turns out. You're gonna love that upper. BCM BCG, upper, and barrel. Real nice stuff. |
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