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2/29/2008 7:44:19 PM EDT
Trigger Guard Mod

I am contemplating changing out the trigger guard. How do I do this? Do I need any special tools, is it difficult, do I have to "stake" anything?

2/29/2008 7:57:17 PM EDT
[#1]
No, but when you are removing the original trigger-guard, you need to support
the ear of the receiver on the opposite side. Same goes for installing the MagPul.
A small block off wood with a small hole for the roll-pin to go through works well.

Appropriate punch and hammer are only tools needed.
2/29/2008 8:21:36 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
No, but when you are removing the original trigger-guard, you need to support
the ear of the receiver on the opposite side. Same goes for installing the MagPul.
A small block off wood with a small hole for the roll-pin to go through works well.

Appropriate punch and hammer are only tools needed.



Listen to GhostRing.

About a month ago someone posted about breaking one of the mounting points off of one side of their rifle. It is VERY important to brace it properly!
2/29/2008 9:19:08 PM EDT
[#3]
Hrmm...ummm, this may be a duct-tape and gum type question, but can anything be used for a punch provided it is the proper diameter? (Something like a finishing nail, ect.)?
2/29/2008 9:40:07 PM EDT
[#4]
Sure, but even a cheapy set of punches is good to have around!
3/1/2008 6:04:15 AM EDT
[#5]
Don’t skimp on the tools. Use the “right tool” for the job. A basic pin punch set can be had for under $10, often times cheaper.

3/1/2008 6:52:14 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Don’t skimp on the tools. Use the “right tool” for the job. A basic pin punch set can be had for under $10, often times cheaper.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/triggerguard3.jpg


Thanks! Where can I buy a punch? Do you know what size it is off the top of your head QUIB?

Also, the front hole, is that just a screw, or another pin?

ETA: Is there a special way to support it, or just do what looks right and I will be fine? Basically, I have (obviously) never done this before, and am wanting to know if this is something tricky that could well screw things up, or if a healthy dose of patients and common sense will see me through it?
3/1/2008 6:56:04 AM EDT
[#7]
It could be either a screw or if its the newer model it comes with a pin and a spring in order to depress it to lower the guard.
3/1/2008 6:57:33 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
It could be either a screw or if its the newer model it comes with a pin and a spring in order to depress it to lower the guard.


Since the magpul doesn't fold, how would this work out?
3/1/2008 7:03:25 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Thanks! Where can I buy a punch? Do you know what size it is off the top of your head QUIB?


Try any hardware store, WalMart, SEARS. 1/8th is what you need.


Quoted:
Also, the front hole, is that just a screw, or another pin?


The front pin is a quick release meant to be used during winter firing with gloves/mittens on. Depress the pin and the trigger guard swings aft towards the pistol grip giving easy access to the trigger. A little trick/trivia not many know of.


Quoted:
ETA: Is there a special way to support it, or just do what looks right and I will be fine? Basically, I have (obviously) never done this before, and am wanting to know if this is something tricky that could well screw things up, or if a healthy dose of patients and common sense will see me through it?


Just keep in mind that the trigger guard ear must be fully supported. The wood block method above works great as it supports the ear and captures the roll pin.

Check out my now tacked thread in the M&C Forum regarding basic mtx and manuals ref's.
3/1/2008 7:03:56 AM EDT
[#10]

Since the magpul doesn't fold, how would this work out?


Magpul offers both a folding and non-folding version. The non-folding version uses a set screw up front.
3/1/2008 7:12:57 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Since the magpul doesn't fold, how would this work out?


Magpul offers both a folding and non-folding version. The non-folding version uses a set screw up front.


Does it come with one?
3/1/2008 7:21:03 AM EDT
[#12]

Does it come with one?


Yes.

Standard Version:



Folding Version:

3/1/2008 7:21:20 AM EDT
[#13]
Yes. If you get the non-folding version it comes with the needed set screw.



DAMN!!! Beat by 17 seconds. And he had pictures too. Dang dial up.
3/1/2008 7:25:56 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Dang dial up.


Don’t sweat it Bob, your not the only one still on dial-up.

One thing nice about dial-up though, if you do post pics, during the time it takes for them to load up, you can take a nice morning crap with a cup of hot coffee and a your favorite gun rag.
3/1/2008 10:04:35 AM EDT
[#15]
You got that right Quib.

I actually connect at a blinding 49.2kbps/indicated* most of the time so pics load up fairly quickly for me.


* - actual speed slightly less, but it's still a darn good speed for dial up
3/1/2008 11:26:57 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Dang dial up.


Don’t sweat it Bob, your not the only one still on dial-up.

One thing nice about dial-up though, if you do post pics, during the time it takes for them to load up, you can take a nice morning crap with a cup of hot coffee and a your favorite gun rag.


Thanks QUIB and everyone else who helped, I will go ahead and order the non-folding version (is there really a point to a folding one since it is already large enough for a glove being as I do not have bratwurst fingers?)

As to dial-up. I was paying $57 a month (split 3 ways w/my roommates) and got 100mbps connection (cable). Now our appartment complex has upped our rent by about $20 each (4-space appartment) and we now have 4 people and they FORCE us to pay for the internet THEY supply (hence the $20 rent hike).

SUPRISE! it is only 10mbps and is so slow sometimes the documents I need to look at for my online course will not even load.

To say I am pissed is an understatement.
I am moving soon.

I have had dial-up that is faster than this.

(Besides, with dial-up your IP changes each time you connect! For an abrasive person such as myself the benefits are real!)
3/1/2008 12:51:38 PM EDT
[#17]
Does the roll-pin just hammer in flush when I am done, or must it be staked or flared or anything?
3/1/2008 1:12:28 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Try any hardware store, WalMart, SEARS. 1/8th is what you need.



You sure you dont mean 1/16" punch?
3/1/2008 1:43:07 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Try any hardware store, WalMart, SEARS. 1/8th is what you need.



You sure you dont mean 1/16" punch?





No, not 1/16th. I stated 1/8th and I meant 1/8th.

3/1/2008 2:20:56 PM EDT
[#20]
So the trigger guard supports the attatchment nearest the hammer and the wood underneath supports the attatchment  on the other side when hammering the pin out?
3/1/2008 3:38:24 PM EDT
[#21]


Here's how I do it.

I bought a set up punches at Sears. As you can tell they are hexagonal shaped and the 5/32" fits under the ears and supports them very nicely.

1/16" punch is for the gas tube pin. 1/8" is what you want on the trigger guard pin.

Come to think of it here's what else I do;

Get a drill bit and stick it thru both holes. Twist it by hand. This will knock any high, or thick, spots in the finish down. You're not trying to make the hole bigger, just making sure the pin will pass thru without binding.

Then lube the heck out of the hole and lube the heck out of the pin. The more lube the better. The excess will wipe off.
3/2/2008 7:49:16 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/titan68/Firearms/Triggerguardsupport.jpg

Here's how I do it.

I bought a set up punches at Sears. As you can tell they are hexagonal shaped and the 5/32" fits under the ears and supports them very nicely.

1/16" punch is for the gas tube pin. 1/8" is what you want on the trigger guard pin.

Come to think of it here's what else I do;

Get a drill bit and stick it thru both holes. Twist it by hand. This will knock any high, or thick, spots in the finish down. You're not trying to make the hole bigger, just making sure the pin will pass thru without binding.

Then lube the heck out of the hole and lube the heck out of the pin. The more lube the better. The excess will wipe off.





Thats exactly what I do....
3/3/2008 5:17:05 PM EDT
[#23]
Well, I called Robert at Talon Arms (who I would buy it from, whom I have purchased my rifle from as well) and asked if he would install it before shipping. He said that he STRONGLY recommended against it as even he has broken a few of those mounting tabs even with his block and proper punch and his experience building AR's. I will take his word for it and stay stock. I spent $1100 and 2 months waiting on this rifle, gonna keep her safe .
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