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Posted: 4/20/2010 3:50:02 PM EDT
So today was my bday so I decided to have some fun by myself with a big toy. Drove out into the groves and fired off a few rounds of m193 without hearing protection, ouch!!! The funny thing is that I had cleaned and degreased the whole upper prepping it for a new coating of lube. The gun functioned perfectly for 40 rounds, all I had. This got me to thinking, has anyone tested to see how long a ar would function with no slippery stuff? Im guessing I was lucky to get 40 issue free rounds through it. Now, this does not mean I will never use lube again, because of that thing called friction.
Also can someone recommend a ear surgeon? That concussion from a break is quite substantial compared to a birdcage. 
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First off you’re an idiot for not using hearing protection but you probably already figured that out 
Most likely your ar will run a long time dry, few 100 rounds? Hard to say. Keep shooting and find out 
When you’re done take it home clean it lube her up good and wet and she'll run 1000+ Seriously stop shooting your rifle without hearing protection, you only get one set of ears man. |
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First off you’re an idiot for not using hearing protection but you probably already figured that out
Most likely your ar will run a long time dry, few 100 rounds? Hard to say. Keep shooting and find out
When you’re done take it home clean it lube her up good and wet and she'll run 1000+ Seriously stop shooting your rifle without hearing protection, you only get one set of ears man. +1 this pretty much sums it up. I wont shoot without DOUBLE protection (ear plugs under muffs) |
| Depends on climate condidtions id say..but one thing is this run em filthy and wet but not filthy and dry..thats when they die..theres no magic round count before malfunctions could happen..but ones things certain I lube mine good and they never fail no matter the weather. |
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When I worked at a range, a guy came in with a 1976 serial dated SP1.
He had bought it before Clinton got elected, and never cleaned or shot it. He had come in during the Obamanation campaign to get used to it. Well, after putting a few hundred rounds through it, he decides he would like us to run it through the ultrasonic cleaning tank. Dude had NEVER taken it apart, cleaned or lubed it before. There were copper deposits on the tail of the bolt, and carbon crammed in every nook and cranny. The gas rings were raggity, but still enough left. All in all it was a bitch, but amazing rifle to clean. the chunks of carbon I popped off were HUGE. I couldn't believe it was still functioning. |
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Reliably about 10, 30rd mags...(I have done it), after that you will get some failures. This is dry of course. I have heard of M16A2s running dry for longer, but never saw it myself. The trick is also to clean the firearm after use, not 3 weeks later too. Slip 2000 EWL coated on a firearm will protect it for weeks after it appears to be dry. That is the advantage over something like Rem Oil or CLP break free gun lube. It also offers easier cleaning on those times when you do forget the clean the gun after use. I have shot several hundred rds, then had to put the gun up dirty leaving it for a few eeks and I will attest that a firearm left for weeks uncleaned using CLP is harder to clean then one using Slip 2000 EWL. |
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I think someone just did a 2,000 round test of their Noveske carbine. Can't remember if it was here or elsewhere. That was on deleted. There was an articale on defensive review I think a while ago where the topic of H3 buffer and buffer springs was discussed. The author Michael Pannone ran over 2400 rounds starting with no lube at all. He only started to have problems after 1500 rounds or so. all he did was replace buffer and ran some more. |
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When I was brand new to ARs, I bought a rifle that I would use for testing (e.g. parts, lube, etc.) Whille I own several very nice ARs, this one was a DPMS. Over the course of a week I put 1500 rounds through it without maintenance and it functioned just fine until the end. Somewhere close to 1500 rounds it began to fail.
Cleaned it, lubed it and it ran fine again. |
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Link please....this sounds like a great read. I bet the lube he stripped off was Slip 2000 EWL.
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I think someone just did a 2,000 round test of their Noveske carbine. Can't remember if it was here or elsewhere. That was on deleted. There was an articale on defensive review I think a while ago where the topic of H3 buffer and buffer springs was discussed. The author Michael Pannone ran over 2400 rounds starting with no lube at all. He only started to have problems after 1500 rounds or so. all he did was replace buffer and ran some more. |
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Link please....this sounds like a great read. I bet the lube he stripped off was Slip 2000 EWL.
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I think someone just did a 2,000 round test of their Noveske carbine. Can't remember if it was here or elsewhere. That was on deleted. There was an articale on defensive review I think a while ago where the topic of H3 buffer and buffer springs was discussed. The author Michael Pannone ran over 2400 rounds starting with no lube at all. He only started to have problems after 1500 rounds or so. all he did was replace buffer and ran some more. Here ya go. He ran just over 2600 rounds no cleaning, started dry, on BCM M4 M4 Myth of Fouling Michael Pannone |
Get some Surefire Sonic Defenders. I have a set in each of my tango down VFG and a set in each truck. They work great and can be worn comfortably all day. I have yet to use the inserts as the plug alone is adequate protection indoors and out. Take this from a dumb ass who spent his youth being manly and saying ear plugs are for wusses. Well at least the wusses can hear. 
My 2 SP-1 Carbines ran dry for years before I was properly educated in lubricating them. I rarely had a malfunction. As a result they are very well broke in and run slicker than an New Orleans hooker at a passion party when lubed up with MGL. Oh and did I say wear ear protection? |
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Hell yeah I was stupid. But this wasn't meant to be a "use ear protection noob" thread. Sometimes a mans gotta loose the protection every once in a while so he remembers what it feels like you know.
Tomorrow, im going to give everything a good lubing. I kinda feel bad for not using any lube, don't want to prematurely wear things out eh. You guys have dirty minds.
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Mike Pannone put 2400 rounds through a BCM 14.5" carbine that had been stripped of all lubrication prior to round 1. +1 - You should always lube your guns but this test seems to indicate that the key to a reliable AR is proper parts and assembly, not lubrication |
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