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Posted: 2/26/2010 4:51:39 PM EDT
I was wondering if anyone could identify these rounds...I found them to be a little out of the ordinary. They have plastic bullets, bearing the number 15 at the base. Headstamp is TZZ 1 3 88. The rounds seem to have very little propellant, but do cycle in a standard A2. The report is noticeably softer than conventional ammo.
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Looks like the rubber bullet rounds the Israelis use for riot control. These are almost certainly lethal, and would not be suitable for riot control. I disagree somewhat....over there, the crowds they are trying to control are trying to kill them. If nothing else, the idiot on the receiving end would definitely get the message. |
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TZZ is Israeli. TZZ 88 Riot Pill Word to wise: many rounds like this use "sub-standard" wall thickness dimensions for brass becasue of the reduced charge; maybe this one does not, I don't know, BUT I WOULD NOT CARE TO RELOAD THESE...just saying |
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yep. TZZ is Israeli. TZZ 88 Riot Pill Word to wise: many rounds like this use "sub-standard" wall thickness dimensions for brass becasue of the reduced charge; maybe this one does not, I don't know, BUT I WOULD NOT CARE TO RELOAD THESE...just saying Hey, great info! Very informative link. Thanks, everyone. |
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These are short range training rounds as has been mentioned. The projectile is not rubber. It is a compressed mixture of powdered lead and powdered bronze as I recall. The exact composition escapes me at the moment, but they are akin to "frangible" projectiles. Although they have been reported to have been used as riot control rounds, this was not their design or intent. As I recall, these were issued to squad leaders as a "less lethal" option if a situation called for it. Probably done simply because that is what they had available at the time.
As an interesting side note, the "1" and "3" in the headstamp are the Israeli version of the U.S. "SCAMP" octal numbering system that uses "dots" around the headstamp to indicate the station on the rotary press that made the case. When the Israelis first acquired SCAMP machines from us, they used the numbers. Later they changed to the U.S. style "dot" system, presumably as a cost savings measure. The number on the base of the bullet most likely indicates which mold the bullet was formed in. 1DD |
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These are short range training rounds as has been mentioned. The projectile is not rubber. It is a compressed mixture of powdered lead and powdered bronze as I recall. The exact composition escapes me at the moment, but they are akin to "frangible" projectiles. Although they have been reported to have been used as riot control rounds, this was not their design or intent. As I recall, these were issued to squad leaders as a "less lethal" option if a situation called for it. Probably done simply because that is what they had available at the time. As an interesting side note, the "1" and "3" in the headstamp are the Israeli version of the U.S. "SCAMP" octal numbering system that uses "dots" around the headstamp to indicate the station on the rotary press that made the case. When the Israelis first acquired SCAMP machines from us, they used the numbers. Later they changed to the U.S. style "dot" system, presumably as a cost savings measure. The number on the base of the bullet most likely indicates which mold the bullet was formed in. 1DD Thanks for the info, Devildog. I am still somewhat curious about the bullet composition, as it has almost no weight. The metallic content must be extremely low. It really feels like plastic. Thanks again to everyone, as I have been curious about these rounds for years. PS: I found these in a salvage yard that had pallets of junk ammo...mostly 5.56mm, a few .50BMG...all live rounds, but just dented from malfunctions, corroded, etc. |
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