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Posted: 12/24/2006 6:45:48 AM EDT
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A member of the local swat team was over at a friend's house the other night and we started talking guns. One thing led to another and I ran home to grab my AR. He fell in love with it. Now here comes the problem... He wants one. He wants to buy it from me. He wants it Full Auto. He can have it full auto. I can't without a permit that's next to impossible to get in this state. I don't even know if I can legally build a semi auto for him, let alone a full auto. HELP??? |
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he is a civilian just like the rest of us, he doenst have any special rights as an officer to "own" full auto guns unless he goes through the same steps as a civilian, UNLESS he is issued one by his agency. but again it will not be his its the agencys weapon. also what state are you in? and what permits are you talking about?? |
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I'm in Iowa. And I am assuming that he would have the permits to own the weapon. I've already told him that he would have to buy the parts for the gun. My big question is assuming that he gets the parts, and has the permits, am I allowed to build the rifle for him? |
NEGATIVE! and what are these permits are you talking about?? this really needs to be moved to the class 3 section ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=17 |
Sounds like a set-up to me. |
I think this whole thread is bogus...... |
| if this is a receiver machined as semi only then additional machining must be done to make the happy switch fit and function. I don't know a single one that will accept the fire control without modification ( some rdias may drop in some, but its not a guarrantee) Your friend in the state of Iowa must be a class 3 dealer or the select fire weapon must be purchased by his agency. In this situation I recomend a select fire rifle outfitted similar to how the sample is, purchased from a class 03/ 02 SOT dealer and onthe up and up. |
NO.........you cannot build him a gun. You may be able to, buy a stripped receiver from an FFL, purchase the (semi-auto) parts, ASSMEBLE them into a semi-auto rifle, then transfer the rifle to him in accordance with your state and local laws (check first).........but you CANNOT build him a Full Auto.........period. Just a note, just because your friend is a cop, does not give him the authority to own a full auto firearm. He must receive and hold a letter from his department authorizing him to have it for work...... he will still not own it. Good luck.:-) |
Dependent on which Dept. He works for. Just tell him to ask his comanding officer to reqeison on. The Dept letter head order will allow him to have one shinney new select fire rifle sent at the cost of a semi from Colt or LMT etc. Now if he wants you to buld a new upper for that it should be ok. Just dont have it in your own your own without him being there with any paper work he would need. But personly I would (Run away)
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On a kind of on topic point. Not to put down the men and women in Blue. I have maney as frends. But it never surprises me when talking to a lot of cop's who are not into guns. How little they know. They might of had some experance in the milatary. And basic firearms training at the police acadimey but thats it. Just whatch "COPS" some times I cringe. Did you see vido of the Fed. DEA agent shot himself in front of a Dare class. (they probley spend $100K in traning) Per agent. On the other hand the best shot I have ever seen is an ex-FBI agent (78 years young). So you might If he is a frend. Show him this web site. 
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"texas SWAT" or "Dallas SWAT", the cop picks up a lever action and proundly proclames "definatly a 9mm!"  I've got a cousin who's a cop, that's about his speed. I used to know another cop who used to ask me what was legal. 
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You guys are over reacting. By permits, I'm sure he means the almighty 'company letterhead', which as I've heard, once you get your name on some company letterhead "The world is your oyster". I think he's asking if he sell his friend the rifle, his friend using the magical letterhead to get the parts necessary to have a fully functioning happy switch, and he help him install what I'd imagine are awefully similar to a regular AR trigger group. Sure the rifle would legally 'belong' to the department but I'm sure plenty of dept guns make it out to boondock ranges to shoot the shit with cop buddies. Am I close? |
Nope. Not even. You are so far from close..... you cant event take a BUS to close. |
He could have letterhead from God, but according to the BATF, he still CANNOT build a fully automatic rifle......period. Buy it, yes. Build it, NO. |
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From What I understand talking to a Class III dealer there are pre 86 guns that civilans can own. And post 86 Law enforcement Firearms that only Duly recognised law in force ment agency can buy. Some small dept. Give there officers a Equipment allotment of money. With a Letter writen and signed bye the Dept. They are then able to bye post 86 firearms "Full Auto's" At as new prices. And usualy get a descount. A pre 86 M16 you are looking at 10k-15k For us civies. A law enforcement only Colt about $700 or so if that . And No tax's. But the officer can only keep it while working in that dept. Big depts. Usualy supply there own equipment. But a lot of SWAT officer will have there stuff in there personal car's in case of call out or If they dont have a full time SWAT unit. So day's off it Not uncomon to see MP5's at the range. Hope that help's
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That is pretty much it. The Officers DEPARTMENT may purchase a NEW machinegun from a Manufacturer or duly authorized dealer. YOU CANNOT MAKE A MACHINEGUN........PERIOD. A sworn officer even with letterhead CANNOT MAKE A MACHINEGUN. Now having said that once the department has purchased the Machinegun they can authorize the officer to possess it. HE DOES NOT and CANNOT own a post '86 machinegun. PERIOD. Our department has been getting surplus M16A1's for patrol officers. The department armorer replaces the FA parts kit with a AR parts kit. As far as the BATFE is concerned this is still a Machinegun and will be until it is de-milled (destroyed). There is nothing preventing the officer from possessing this rifle in his home or in his car. Converting the rifles to Semi is a department policy and is not mandated by anyone since the weapon will always be a machinegun. |
Just to clarify the weapon is still OWNED by the Agency NOT the officer. |
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