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Posted: 4/5/2004 2:29:04 PM EDT
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I am considering buying a used Bushmaster varminter for $850 but by the time I pay the damn dealer for using his precious license it's gonna end up being considerably more than that. So... I had also been looking at the kits from the likes of M&A, J&T and Model 1 and can get what would appear to be a fine rig but my question is this: Is the quality difference great or not so great as to justify the cost disparity? How would you guys rate the two or can there even be a fair comparison of these products? Seperate tangent concerning justification: How do dealers justify trying thier level best to screw people who ask them to order a firearm for them.( Oh, hey these people need us to order them a gun and they cant get it otherwise. Lets bend em over and drive it in dry until they bleed) Does $125 sound reasonable to you guys?? Why do people worship a little piece of paper? Show someone a way to get more of thier holy paper and they don't care what it takes to get it, they'll do it. Where is the fellowship or am I a fool to expect any since there is money to be made be it at the expense of thier fellow shooting enthusiasts or thier own mothers health. An answer to either of my questions is appreciated. What are other FFL's charging to order? |
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1. No (IMO). 2. Bushmaster = 8, Parts kit = 6 (base 0=crap, 10=Match custom). 3. Um, puts bread and butter on the table and shoes on their children. 4. Kind of high maybe. 5. See answer to #3 above. 6. A myth when it comes to money, sometimes called capitalism, and yes you are. 7. I know one who does it for free if you're a good customer for his other sporting goods. |
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.( Oh, hey these people need us to order them a gun and they cant get it otherwise. Lets bend em over and drive it in dry until they bleed) This may come as a shock to you, but business owners aren't in business as a public service, they are in business to make money. Who are you to decide how much profit is justified? If you feel that they gouge their customers then get an FFL and put up a shingle in front of your own shop. Until then you can either pay their prices, go without, or find someone who is willing to sell it for less. There are dealers in my area that can't be bothered to do special orders, and despite their high prices for in stock merchandise they're still in business. Edited to add: It could very well be that he is trying to tell you something by charging $125 for a transfer. Perhaps it isn't worth his time or a supreme pain in the ass for him. All you need to do is find an alternative. |
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No- good Bushmaster=8 Parts kit=6 fine Um $125 worth of bread and butter? Not even for a pair of shoes. Kind of high MAYBE? Justify that. You will not convince me. There are no myths in my post. Capitalism? Sounds more like screw anybody for moneyism. I have been called a fool before and I am not even going to deny that at times it was true. I don't know if I want to be a good customer for someone who tries to screw me on the first date, especially without a kiss first. Halfcocked, when he said with a smile and without a mask " That will be $125" I felt like I was getting wholecocked. Thanks for 1, 2, and 4 |
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First off, $125 for a Title I transfer is high. My local FFL charges $20, and my Class 3 dealer charges $50 for Title II items. Look around for a better deal. [url=http://www.gunsamerica.com/transfer.cgi]Click here[/url] and enter your area code to find transfer dealers in your area. There were many listed for West Virginia. |
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$125 is very high IMO. I would suggest you find another dealer to do the transfer. If you can't find another one, well I guess you're screwed. The only problem I see with the kit idea, is that you would still need an FFL to do the transfer of the lower that you want to put the kit on. |
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CJ-NH, Who the hell am I to decide how much profit is justified? I am the guy he is wanting the $125 from so it may come as a shock to you but I can decide if it is justified or not. Further I AM aware that businesses aren't in business as a public service, but damn. Why don't you put a shingle up in front of your door and then you can join the crowd and when business is slow you can buy up a bunch of plywood and wait for hurricane season and drive south to gouge those poor people too. Sounds like thats your thing since you seem so offended my my anger at someone charging nearly five times what seems to be the going rate. If he was trying to tell me something I do beleive that he had a mouth and all related appendages for enunciating the english language so he could have just opened his damn mouth and said what it was that he wanted to say. This may come as a shock to you but thats what everybody else does. If it is such a supreme pain in his, or anyone elses ass then put up a sign get out of the business or open your F!@#$%^ mouth and come out and just say it. Don't be a smartass and just spill out some outrageous price like some smartass chickenshit who is afraid to speak what is on your mind. Don't you worry your little head, I'll find an alternative so I surely don't need you to offer such smartass comments or suggestions to a simple rant. Have a nice day |
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This guy is just frustrated, as I am sometimes. What gets me is the dealers around here charge 10%. Idon't buy many guns but when I do I spend upwards of 1k. These dealers charge me $100, and the smuck that just bought a yugo sks $10. been looking for a dealer that charges a flat rate,but they are nowhere around me. If I did they would get all my business even if they charged a flat $40 I would buy my cheap sks from them. |
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Quoted: I am considering buying a used Bushmaster varminter for $850 but by the time I pay the damn dealer for using his precious license it's gonna end up being considerably more than that. So... I had also been looking at the kits from the likes of M&A, J&T and Model 1 and can get what would appear to be a fine rig but my question is this: Is the quality difference great or not so great as to justify the cost disparity? How would you guys rate the two or can there even be a fair comparison of these products? To go back to your original question, building an AR gives you more options than you are considering. If you want something equivalent to the Bushy Varminter, you may want to build a lower with a NM trigger group by bottom-feeding, then go to Eagle Firearms and buy either the barrel or a the whole upper. They are good people to deal with and their pricing is better than buying from Bushy. The point is, you're not stuck with doing a J&T or Model 1 kit. Just a thought. C_M |
| I buy lots of firearms from a variety of different sources, including internet purchases. If you shop around you can usually find a FFL holder who will charge a nominal fee to complete the transfer. The FFL I use charges me a flat fee of $15; does not matter what the firearm is. Gunbroker.com has a comprehsive list of FFL holders by state... check to see if any are near you. |
| I've pay $25/transfer through a local pawnshop. If I do it through my local range (an hour away), it's free. When I was looking for someone locally to handle transfers, I did find one guy that actually charged a percentage based upon the cost of the firearm you were transferring!!! I don't remember the exact # but it was somewhere around 10-15% which is extortion unless you're transferring a > $250 firearms. Making money is one thing but I prefer to go to merchants who offer their services for a reasonable and competitive rate. It's all relative but you should be able to find someone local to do the transfer for a lot less. |
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My local shop advertises a $30 transfer fee on Gunbroker. I called to confirm the price, and he advised me that the $30 fee was only for guns $300 and under. Otherwise the fee was 10% of the price of the rifle. My questions to him were the following: -Why doesn't your add on Gunbroker say this? -Is the paperwork more difficult for guns over $300? -How are you going to determine how much I paid for a gun in a private deal? -Do you want me to find another ffl to give my $$ to? Anyway, he can charge what he likes, and I can find someone else. |
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In my humble opinion, unless you're buying a pre-ban or a highly customized rifle, I'd buy one "off-the-shelf". If your gun store doesn't sell bushmaster, find another one that does. Why pay the shipping and transfer fee if there is nothing really special about the gun. Besides, pictures in advance are fine, but if I'm dumping $850 on a rifle I wanna hold it first. You never know what someone has done to it. |
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Payed $30 here, and I was irritated at the place that wanted $50 so to asnwer your question, IMHO, yes you are getting screwed. And not to [flame] or induce others to [flame], but the guy was asking (yes in a frustrated manor) whether or not he was getting screwed by his dealer. Tell him yes you are, or no you aren't. Telling him, "businesses are in it to make money", or "if you don't like it go somewhere else" is, well, to put it nicely, unnecessary. If he doesn't already know that he has more problems than we can deal with on this board. Just my .002 (extra zero intended). Feel free to [flame] away. [:)] |
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$125 for a transfer is very high. Way too high actually. I am having a custom 1911 (ed brown kobra) transferred thru a local dealer, and he's charging me $75, which is also very high. But theres not many other shops in the area. I had a rifle transferred thru a shop in long island a few years ago, I think they charged me $50. But thats 45 minutes away while the other place is about 5 minutes away. |
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$125 is fvcking highway robbery. Show 'em the meaning of capitalism and take your business elsewhere. Use this to find a sane dealer: http://www.shotgunnews.com/fflguide/ Also, a J&T kit is hardly a compromise. The quality and customer service I've gotten is outstanding. My rifle is easily the equal of any of my friends' name-brand rifles. |
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Quoted: .( Oh, hey these people need us to order them a gun and they cant get it otherwise. Lets bend em over and drive it in dry until they bleed) This may come as a shock to you, but business owners aren't in business as a public service, they are in business to make money. Who are you to decide how much profit is justified? If you feel that they gouge their customers then get an FFL and put up a shingle in front of your own shop. Until then you can either pay their prices, go without, or find someone who is willing to sell it for less. There are dealers in my area that can't be bothered to do special orders, and despite their high prices for in stock merchandise they're still in business. Edited to add: It could very well be that he is trying to tell you something by charging $125 for a transfer. Perhaps it isn't worth his time or a supreme pain in the ass for him. All you need to do is find an alternative. (CJan_NH)= 100%pure, made in the usa, [b]ASSHOLE![/b] |
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