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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Keep It Simple, Stupid... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/20/2013 9:54:51 PM EDT
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Finally got my barrel back from ADCO, and completed my basic rifle. Because, you know, I needed one. Now I sit here looking at the CompML3 I have sitting on the shelf...
Question for you guys: This is my first Smith Vortex, and they pinned the flats at an off-angle. I am just used to the flats being perpendicular to the rail. Thoughts?? The pictures blow, I still need to get my index clips on there, and take pics in the daylight. Got dark on me quick tonight after work. Hope to get her out tomorrow and sight it in. Not bad for a simple, basic build. 
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The kiss idiots usually bitch about railed forends and anything but a1 carry handle sights. It's all complete nonsense. Nice carbine though 
Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss" 
This was as simple as I get  I am having a panic attack about the Aimpoint not being on there, and only 7 freaking inches of free float.
But, I didn't have one in the safe, and I had room. |
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This was as simple as I get I am having a panic attack about the Aimpoint not being on there, and only 7 freaking inches of free float.
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The kiss idiots usually bitch about railed forends and anything but a1 carry handle sights. It's all complete nonsense. Nice carbine though
Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
This was as simple as I get I am having a panic attack about the Aimpoint not being on there, and only 7 freaking inches of free float.
But, I didn't have one in the safe, and I had room. Hah. I can relate to that. This is more KISS than I've been able to stomach myself to do yet due to the FSB. I still know I need a PR though. I'll push myself over the edge eventually and do a nice KISS 14.5" carbine FSB PR build. 
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Hah. I can relate to that. This is more KISS than I've been able to stomach myself to do yet due to the FSB. I still know I need a PR though. I'll push myself over the edge eventually and do a nice KISS 14.5" carbine FSB PR build. Quoted:
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The kiss idiots usually bitch about railed forends and anything but a1 carry handle sights. It's all complete nonsense. Nice carbine though
Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
This was as simple as I get I am having a panic attack about the Aimpoint not being on there, and only 7 freaking inches of free float.
But, I didn't have one in the safe, and I had room. Hah. I can relate to that. This is more KISS than I've been able to stomach myself to do yet due to the FSB. I still know I need a PR though. I'll push myself over the edge eventually and do a nice KISS 14.5" carbine FSB PR build. I have one more with the FSB, but with a Triji 1-4 so I don't see it. I just dig the A2 when shooting irons. It took me quite a while to get used to the HK style Troys I have on my others. But, I am getting too damned old to sit here and act like I don't simply love my Aimpoints.
I just wanted to build one like this for fun. I have a long winter ahead of me, and it will likely "evolve" |
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Thank you, I appreciate that. I have about the same money in it as a Colt SOCOM, so I wanted GLOCKREAPER to tell me all about how he would have went to Walmart and got the SOCOM anyway Quoted:
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Very nice man! That thing looks sharp to say the least. Thank you, I appreciate that. I have about the same money in it as a Colt SOCOM, so I wanted GLOCKREAPER to tell me all about how he would have went to Walmart and got the SOCOM anyway 
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Thank you, I appreciate that. I have about the same money in it as a Colt SOCOM, so I wanted GLOCKREAPER to tell me all about how he would have went to Walmart and got the SOCOM anyway Quoted:
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Very nice man! That thing looks sharp to say the least. Thank you, I appreciate that. I have about the same money in it as a Colt SOCOM, so I wanted GLOCKREAPER to tell me all about how he would have went to Walmart and got the SOCOM anyway
Now that I've been running a PRO it's going to be hard to keep one off of my KISS build. |
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The kiss idiots usually bitch about railed forends and anything but a1 carry handle sights. It's all complete nonsense. Nice carbine though
Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
I agree. I think KISS may have evolved a bit in the last few years. To me, this is KISS.... Wife's rig....  Uploaded with ImageShack.us" />
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I agree. I think KISS may have evolved a bit in the last few years. To me, this is KISS.... Wife's rig.... http://<a href=http://imageshack.us/a/img22/9631/k6fi.jpg</a> Uploaded with ImageShack.us" /> evl.... Quoted:
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The kiss idiots usually bitch about railed forends and anything but a1 carry handle sights. It's all complete nonsense. Nice carbine though
Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
I agree. I think KISS may have evolved a bit in the last few years. To me, this is KISS.... Wife's rig.... http://<a href=http://imageshack.us/a/img22/9631/k6fi.jpg</a> Uploaded with ImageShack.us" /> evl.... Very nice. My laziness in getting lowers registered has now shown its ugly reality 
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Thank you, I appreciate that. I have about the same money in it as a Colt SOCOM, so I wanted GLOCKREAPER to tell me all about how he would have went to Walmart and got the SOCOM anyway Quoted:
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Very nice man! That thing looks sharp to say the least. Thank you, I appreciate that. I have about the same money in it as a Colt SOCOM, so I wanted GLOCKREAPER to tell me all about how he would have went to Walmart and got the SOCOM anyway
Nice build.. for the same money, this build is better than a SOCOM any day of the week. I cant understand how a quality red dot isnt in line with KISS... easier to aim with and zero. |
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Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
yea they are...... I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there...
Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. 
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I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there...
Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. Quoted:
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Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
yea they are...... I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there...
Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. He was. Thanks guys. Yeah, I have a Thorntail and an extra Fury I could thrown on her, too, but I am going try keep it bare, for a while. Off to the range if I can find my damn sight post wrench...aaarghh. The A2 that ADCO threw on there for me has not post, and I have 6 of them laying here but can't find my damn wrench  Maybe I will just throw a T1 on there so I can shoot today. 
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He was. Thanks guys. Yeah, I have a Thorntail and an extra Fury I could thrown on her, too, but I am going try keep it bare, for a while. Off to the range if I can find my damn sight post wrench...aaarghh. The A2 that ADCO threw on there for me has not post, and I have 6 of them laying here but can't find my damn wrench Maybe I will just throw a T1 on there so I can shoot today.
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Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
yea they are...... I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there...
Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. He was. Thanks guys. Yeah, I have a Thorntail and an extra Fury I could thrown on her, too, but I am going try keep it bare, for a while. Off to the range if I can find my damn sight post wrench...aaarghh. The A2 that ADCO threw on there for me has not post, and I have 6 of them laying here but can't find my damn wrench Maybe I will just throw a T1 on there so I can shoot today.
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| Most people seem to equate "KISS" rifles with "very inexpensive" rifles. Obviously, you're not one of those folks! I see the simplicity, but I also see application of "lessons learned" regarding what works for you. Not bad choices, any of them, and where it counts (like the DD barrel-I have one just like it), very good choices. |
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Finally got my barrel back from ADCO, and completed my basic rifle. Because, you know, I needed one. Now I sit here looking at the CompML3 I have sitting on the shelf... Question for you guys: This is my first Smith Vortex, and they pinned the flats at an off-angle. I am just used to the flats being perpendicular to the rail. Thoughts?? Quoted:
The Vortex flash suppressors are properly installed without using a washer, so they end up wherever they end up on the direction of the flats. Yup. ADCO does it right.
Good choice on the 14.5 + Vortex (this combo is my personal preference) 
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Thanks fellas, and thanks for the info on the Smith. Wasn't a big deal to me, just struck me odd. I had originally wanted the Surefire, but ADCO was out of stock at the time. Appreciate the reinforcement! They did a nice pin and weld, as usual.
A Tango Down Stubby QD VFG I had in the bin has found its way to the Centurion, so it is a bit less "simple" now
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Thanks fellas, and thanks for the info on the Smith. Wasn't a big deal to me, just struck me odd. I had originally wanted the Surefire, but ADCO was out of stock at the time. Appreciate the reinforcement! They did a nice pin and weld, as usual. A Tango Down Stubby QD VFG I had in the bin has found its way to the Centurion, so it is a bit less "simple" now And it starts again
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The kiss idiots usually bitch about railed forends and anything but a1 carry handle sights. It's all complete nonsense. Nice carbine though
Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
With a railed upper, there is always the temptation to hang silly shit on by the sixth inning. If it's KISS it's irons, period end. But no problemo on the adjustable stock. Moon |
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I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there...
Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/tstanfield12/null_zpsd0cb809e.jpg Quoted:
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Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
yea they are...... I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there...
Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/tstanfield12/null_zpsd0cb809e.jpg Yeah that's the exact same set up as my go to rifle, minus the VFG. I consider it a "KISS" set up. |
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With a railed upper, there is always the temptation to hang silly shit on by the sixth inning. If it's KISS it's irons, period end. But no problemo on the adjustable stock. Moon Quoted:
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The kiss idiots usually bitch about railed forends and anything but a1 carry handle sights. It's all complete nonsense. Nice carbine though
Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
With a railed upper, there is always the temptation to hang silly shit on by the sixth inning. If it's KISS it's irons, period end. But no problemo on the adjustable stock. Moon Not to poop on anyone, but I just don't buy the whole "KISS" thing. If a given rifle is you "KISS" rifle, by implication you're saying that you're of the habit of needlessly bolting random shit to your other rifles. All of my rifles, except for some of the more hardcore clones are "KISS." They have exactly as much stuff as they need to do the job they need to do, and nothing more. For some rifles, that might be an ELCAN with an MRD and an IR laser. For some that might be nothing but plastic handguards and iron sights. But they're all as simple as they can be to fulfill their roles. ~Augee |
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Thanks fellas, and thanks for the info on the Smith. Wasn't a big deal to me, just struck me odd. I had originally wanted the Surefire, but ADCO was out of stock at the time. Appreciate the reinforcement! They did a nice pin and weld, as usual. A Tango Down Stubby QD VFG I had in the bin has found its way to the Centurion, so it is a bit less "simple" now And it starts again
I suppose so. But it simply had to be
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I used to be one of those A1 people, now I'm a convert. Still not a rail convert thou.Maybe if someone comes out with a FSB cutout with keymod. I really wanted absolute cowitness on the aimpoint so I bought a rainier receiver.. Probably not somes version of kiss anymore I guess.
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My idea of KISS is using only what "I" think I need...
My HD rig 
NiB bcg and fcg (ease of cleaning)(ICE Arms bcg ACT fcg) BCM Mod4 CH and Mod0 grip (all my ARs get these) Aimpoint Comp4 (so I can leave it on for 100yrs and not worry about it)(also see-thru caps installed) LMT rear sight SureFire M600U on IWC mount (alot of land to cover so I needed a bright light) USGI sling |
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Quoted: I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there... Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/tstanfield12/null_zpsd0cb809e.jpg Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss" yea they are...... I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there... Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/tstanfield12/null_zpsd0cb809e.jpg |
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I used to be one of those A1 people, now I'm a convert. Still not a rail convert thou. Maybe if someone comes out with a FSB cutout with keymod. I really wanted absolute cowitness on the aimpoint so I bought a rainier receiver.. Probably not somes version of kiss anymore I guess. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Wiindigo/IMG_2510_zpsc020ab45.jpg Check this out http://fortismfg.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=73 I'm going to agree with Augee. I didn't slap a magnet on my rifle and drag it through a gun shop to see what would stick. Everything on it has a purpose and is there for a reason. I'm not putting a quad rail on just to run a VFG, I'm talking to you Alaska511 
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Now come on. I simply don't care for stock handguards. A quad with LaRue clips is by far, my favorite. I have many others that I have tried. I have rifles with 3 of these Centurions, 1 wiith a Fortis, 1 with Apex Extended, and 1 with a Troy FF quad. I do have one all stock rifle in the safe, unmolested for the time being. I just wanted to assemble a high quality rifle, with minimal ninja add-ons. Still, I do prefer the quad with clips as a minumum, and I need a hand-stop. I like the TD VFG as a hand stop. Great pics, guys This was never me saying what KISS was, or should be. Not once, and I like seeing what you guys are shooting. Keep 'em coming
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I was just messing with ya . I've already toyed with doing a fsb cut out rail on my 14.7" build, this shit never ends. I'm already planning a Mega MKM build with a Black Hole machined/black octagon barrel, ssa-e trigger, and a bunch of other goodies that'll make my wallet cry lol.
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Here is my keep it simple rifle.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/PRSKILLER/CameraZOOM-20130922090937856.jpg |
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I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there...
Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/tstanfield12/null_zpsd0cb809e.jpg Quoted:
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Edit oh collapsible stocks aren't "kiss"
yea they are...... I believe Aimless was being sarcastic there...
Nice simple build OP... Here is my version of KISS although some would freak out over the flashlight and Aimpoint. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/tstanfield12/null_zpsd0cb809e.jpg I know he was.....
I believe I was too.............. Good looking boom stick!
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I was just messing with ya . I've already toyed with doing a fsb cut out rail on my 14.7" build, this shit never ends. I'm already planning a Mega MKM build with a Black Hole machined/black octagon barrel, ssa-e trigger, and a bunch of other goodies that'll make my wallet cry lol.Oh, I know you were
Even my "busier" rifles are fairly simple, IMO. A light, sling, and red dot at the most. I do not subscribe to the BADASS/ambi controls/anti-rotation bling of the month club, or anything like that. I just have scopes on the others, and a sling. Good triggers, FF HGs, and a good stock are the things I go for first. My other 14.5s are below, the BCM/BFH flies an Aimpoint and Troys, now. The is a crop of a family pic after I finished building it. 
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Windham Weaponry Heavy Barrel. Magpul stock and pistol grip are all it has. I went with the magpul stock because I like the rubber on the shoulder pad. I might add a vertical grip but I'm not sure. This is pretty simple in my book.
http://<ahttp://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae338/milledak47/Mobile%20Uploads/ResizedImage_1377323171411_zpsa683a675.jpg</a>" /> Doesn't get much simpler than this really href=http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae338/milledak47/IMG_20130430_172518_867_zpsd6ea6a4d.jpg" /> |
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Even my "busier" rifles are fairly simple, IMO. A light, sling, and red dot at the most. I do not subscribe to the BADASS/ambi controls/anti-rotation bling of the month club, or anything like that. I just have scopes on the others, and a sling. Good triggers, FF HGs, and a good stock are the things I go for first. My other 14.5s are below, the BCM/BFH flies an Aimpoint and Troys, now. The is a crop of a family pic after I finished building it. http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h385/alaskaLTZ/DSC02513_zps437c6b5c.jpg Quoted:
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I was just messing with ya . I've already toyed with doing a fsb cut out rail on my 14.7" build, this shit never ends. I'm already planning a Mega MKM build with a Black Hole machined/black octagon barrel, ssa-e trigger, and a bunch of other goodies that'll make my wallet cry lol.Oh, I know you were
Even my "busier" rifles are fairly simple, IMO. A light, sling, and red dot at the most. I do not subscribe to the BADASS/ambi controls/anti-rotation bling of the month club, or anything like that. I just have scopes on the others, and a sling. Good triggers, FF HGs, and a good stock are the things I go for first. My other 14.5s are below, the BCM/BFH flies an Aimpoint and Troys, now. The is a crop of a family pic after I finished building it. http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h385/alaskaLTZ/DSC02513_zps437c6b5c.jpg I like your style 
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IMO a true down to the brand M4gery is KISS. Because this is the year 2013 and we have shit like Aimpoints and ACOGS that are better and tougher than most junky iron sights. You can buy all of it off the shelf, it bolts on, it works and lasts.
On the internet, KISS is 1960's style carbines. On the internet, smug assholes half ass bolt a bunch of shit to plastic handguards and call it 'a fighting gun'. On the internet, gear queers who can't even shoot irons are swapping buis for different buis and stripping out their barrel nut every two weeks for the newest free-float modular piece of shit keymod tube on their Magpulled out 'training platform'. On the internet, Frog Lubers blow their guns with their mom's hair dryers and contaminate all the kitchen appliances and utensils with that goofy shit. And find out that the shit congeals into glue before they save up enough allowance to go shooting again. I could go on but it's past my bedtime and I don't wanna get in trouble.
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IMO a true down to the brand M4gery is KISS. Because this is the year 2013 and we have shit like Aimpoints and ACOGS that are better and tougher than most junky iron sights. You can buy all of it off the shelf, it bolts on, it works and lasts. On the internet, KISS is 1960's style carbines. On the internet, smug assholes half ass bolt a bunch of shit to plastic handguards and call it 'a fighting gun'. On the internet, gear queers who can't even shoot irons are swapping buis for different buis and stripping out their barrel nut every two weeks for the newest free-float modular piece of shit keymod tube on their Magpulled out 'training platform'. On the internet, Frog Lubers blow their guns with their mom's hair dryers and contaminate all the kitchen appliances and utensils with that goofy shit. And find out that the shit congeals into glue before they save up enough allowance to go shooting again. I could go on but it's past my bedtime and I don't wanna get in trouble.
What's wrong with keymod and Magpul asshole!
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IMO a true down to the brand M4gery is KISS. Because this is the year 2013 and we have shit like Aimpoints and ACOGS that are better and tougher than most junky iron sights. You can buy all of it off the shelf, it bolts on, it works and lasts. On the internet, KISS is 1960's style carbines. On the internet, smug assholes half ass bolt a bunch of shit to plastic handguards and call it 'a fighting gun'. On the internet, gear queers who can't even shoot irons are swapping buis for different buis and stripping out their barrel nut every two weeks for the newest free-float modular piece of shit keymod tube on their Magpulled out 'training platform'. On the internet, Frog Lubers blow their guns with their mom's hair dryers and contaminate all the kitchen appliances and utensils with that goofy shit. And find out that the shit congeals into glue before they save up enough allowance to go shooting again. I could go on but it's past my bedtime and I don't wanna get in trouble.
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IMO a true down to the brand M4gery is KISS. Because this is the year 2013 and we have shit like Aimpoints and ACOGS that are better and tougher than most junky iron sights. You can buy all of it off the shelf, it bolts on, it works and lasts. On the internet, KISS is 1960's style carbines. On the internet, smug assholes half ass bolt a bunch of shit to plastic handguards and call it 'a fighting gun'. On the internet, gear queers who can't even shoot irons are swapping buis for different buis and stripping out their barrel nut every two weeks for the newest free-float modular piece of shit keymod tube on their Magpulled out 'training platform'. On the internet, Frog Lubers blow their guns with their mom's hair dryers and contaminate all the kitchen appliances and utensils with that goofy shit. And find out that the shit congeals into glue before they save up enough allowance to go shooting agahin. I could go on but it's past my bedtime and I don't wanna get in trouble.
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