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Posted: 3/28/2015 10:46:47 PM EDT
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Do all keymod accessories fit all keymod rails? If I buy a DD accessorie will it fit my BCM rail?
Guess easy way to ask, are keymod rails spacing standard across the industry? |
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Do all keymod accessories fit all keymod rails? If I buy a DD accessorie will it fit my BCM rail? Guess easy way to ask, are keymod rails spacing standard across the industry? Yes. Blueprints were released to the public so everyone can use same measurements Joe |
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Keymod consists of three basic dimensioned drawings that are open source. Anyone can modify this design in any way and still call it keymod even if it is incompatible with other parts called keymod. From a different thread. So there is no guarantee. But any smart manufacturer would make it compatible. |
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From a different thread. So there is no guarantee. But any smart manufacturer would make it compatible. Quoted:
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Keymod consists of three basic dimensioned drawings that are open source. Anyone can modify this design in any way and still call it keymod even if it is incompatible with other parts called keymod. From a different thread. So there is no guarantee. But any smart manufacturer would make it compatible. Says the company that's only doing M-Lok.LOL BUT, only having Keymod, I think m-lok might be a better choice. I like the Keymod a lot, but I ran into a situation that may lead me to believe m lok may be better. I got a New light mount, and I wanted to put it right in front of the mounted panels.. And wouldnt you know it, I had to remove the panels first because of the slide in and lock system..put the mount on and then reinstall the panels. Kinda a pain. |
| I like Magpul and own a ton of their stuff. But that statement about keymod is just to stir up negativity around it. Sure, keymod is open source, anyone can use it and anyone can change it some then still call it keymod. Does that sound like a good business plan to you? When word hits the street that XYZs keymod rail is different and doesn't accept any of the keymod accessories on the market no one will continue to buy it. True, there is more control over MLok and I can see how keymod slots by different mfgs could vary with tolerances and all, but that's every product. Any reputable manufacturer is going to make sure their keymod rails and accessories are comparable with everyone else's. |
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I like Magpul and own a ton of their stuff. But that statement about keymod is just to stir up negativity around it. Sure, keymod is open source, anyone can use it and anyone can change it some then still call it keymod. Does that sound like a good business plan to you? When word hits the street that XYZs keymod rail is different and doesn't accept any of the keymod accessories on the market no one will continue to buy it. True, there is more control over MLok and I can see how keymod slots by different mfgs could vary with tolerances and all, but that's every product. Any reputable manufacturer is going to make sure their keymod rails and accessories are comparable with everyone else's. Quoted:
I like Magpul and own a ton of their stuff. But that statement about keymod is just to stir up negativity around it. Sure, keymod is open source, anyone can use it and anyone can change it some then still call it keymod. Does that sound like a good business plan to you? When word hits the street that XYZs keymod rail is different and doesn't accept any of the keymod accessories on the market no one will continue to buy it. True, there is more control over MLok and I can see how keymod slots by different mfgs could vary with tolerances and all, but that's every product. Any reputable manufacturer is going to make sure their keymod rails and accessories are comparable with everyone else's. Here is the full statement to see it in context. We have nothing against keymod. That said the systems have differences which are important to understand if a technical forum is to have any usefulness as a resource. Quoted:
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If you're a Bravo Company "(BCM)" , Noveske , or Vltor fan your pretty much stuck with Keymod, everyone else will most likely be jumping on either both or strictly M-lok because like I said above it's friggin magpul. The only downside is here and there you might run into some garbage items with M-lok "as well as with keymod" because they are open license giving anybody be it a well known builder or a chinese knockoff firm free reign to build on. You bring up an interesting difference between the systems. Keymod consists of three basic dimensioned drawings that are open source. Anyone can modify this design in any way and still call it keymod even if it is incompatible with other parts called keymod. M-LOK is a free license system with a full detailed manufacturing TDP (including both required and recommended specifications). Under the free license any manufacture HAS to build their M-LOK product within the published M-LOK specs otherwise they cannot use the registered M-LOK Logo on the item or packaging. This leads to greater compatibility with M-LOK parts between different manufactures. For keymod we have already seen a few variations of it show up. Some are obviously incompatible like HKs version, but the real issues will be in the details of the tolerances and how they are held. Incorrect machining of one part can easily result in a damaged component or rail when the two seemingly compatible items are used together. This is an issue for all systems having multiple manufactures working on a single set of specs. We have already had to clarify the required M-LOK standards for more than one manufacture building slightly out of the specs. This already and the system is less than a year old. |
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Wouldn't it be benifitial for Magpul to construct items in Keymod as well as thier Mlok? they would be able to sell more product? Just sayin.. Magpul has their own system they feel is superior. Why would they want to build the competitive system's following? Thanks for the reply Magpul, I get what you're saying. I'm not in the industry, just a small consumer, but are we seeing issues with keymod rails and accessories from reputable companies? |
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Wouldn't it be benifitial for Magpul to construct items in Keymod as well as thier Mlok? they would be able to sell more product? Just sayin.. Magpul has their own system they feel is superior. Why would they want to build the competitive system's following? How is it competitve if the Keymod system is free to be used by anyone? Don't they make items that fit 1913 dispite thier system "being better"? To make more money. They may believe thier system is better and for What I know.. it might be, but it doesn't matter to me. I have a keymod rail on my AR and thats what I care about. I'm sure other customers would feel the same as I do. Honestly there are enough Keymod rifles out there for Magpul to justify making parts for them to. I know from my point of view, I won't be replacing my rail system to embrace Magpuls mlok. I already have to much invested in Keymod accessories for me to switch. Its simple business, cater to your potential customers. Get them to buy your products, once they are buying your product they will be more open to other items you make. |
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Magpul has their own system they feel is superior. Why would they want to build the competitive system's following? How is it competitve if the Keymod system is free to be used by anyone? Don't they make items that fit 1913 dispite thier system "being better"? To make more money. They may believe thier system is better and for What I know.. it might be, but it doesn't matter to me. I have a keymod rail on my AR and thats what I care about. I'm sure other customers would feel the same as I do. Honestly there are enough Keymod rifles out there for Magpul to justify making parts for them to. I know from my point of view, I won't be replacing my rail system to embrace Magpuls mlok. I already have to much invested in Keymod accessories for me to switch. Its simple business, cater to your potential customers. Get them to buy your products, once they are buying your product they will be more open to other items you make. Quoted:
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Wouldn't it be benifitial for Magpul to construct items in Keymod as well as thier Mlok? they would be able to sell more product? Just sayin.. Magpul has their own system they feel is superior. Why would they want to build the competitive system's following? How is it competitve if the Keymod system is free to be used by anyone? Don't they make items that fit 1913 dispite thier system "being better"? To make more money. They may believe thier system is better and for What I know.. it might be, but it doesn't matter to me. I have a keymod rail on my AR and thats what I care about. I'm sure other customers would feel the same as I do. Honestly there are enough Keymod rifles out there for Magpul to justify making parts for them to. I know from my point of view, I won't be replacing my rail system to embrace Magpuls mlok. I already have to much invested in Keymod accessories for me to switch. Its simple business, cater to your potential customers. Get them to buy your products, once they are buying your product they will be more open to other items you make. There are those making adapters to have keymod handguards work with M-LOK accessories (and vice versa). I don't think anyone will be left out on options. |
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