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1/5/2014 2:37:36 PM EDT
This model has the dust cover, brass deflector, and FA.  Scope is Burris Tac30 1x4 Illuminated.  Mount is Burris PEPR.



3 shots at 50 yards.  Pic taken from behind target.  The first three are from a RPK shooting surplus steel core.



3 at 100 yards.  The other holes were from my buddys RPK.



So how many shots makes a group?  Since Im high at 100, where does that put me at 200?

1/5/2014 3:28:27 PM EDT
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I have heard 3-5 rounds to determine a group size for bolt guns and 5- 10 rounds for a gas gun.

How much your group drops at 200 yards depends on a few factors, the more significant being: type of bullet/ ballistic coefficient, bullet weight, muzzle velocity.
1/5/2014 3:34:32 PM EDT
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Thanks. Im more than happy with this setup.  It just hits whatever i aim at.  Id rather have a longer barrel but this will do for now.
1/5/2014 6:19:19 PM EDT
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Looks good.... usually 5 shots will give a good idea of what the rifle/ammo will do.  Doing a larger shot string, such as 10, can be useful too.

What ammo are you using?
1/5/2014 6:24:52 PM EDT
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Looks good.... usually 5 shots will give a good idea of what the rifle/ammo will do.  Doing a larger shot string, such as 10, can be useful too.

What ammo are you using?
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This.

For example, last week I got a 1 1/2" group at 450yds with three shots.  But the 5-shot group is about 4".  My typical 10-shot groups are about an inch, I have a hard time getting much better than that, although I finally got some real powder yesterday so I can try again...  Yay, more load development....

1/5/2014 6:28:10 PM EDT
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Federal XM80c 149gr FMJ....just some bulk I picked up locally.  Went straight through 5/16" steel at 100 yards from a 16" barrel.
1/5/2014 6:56:46 PM EDT
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Federal XM80c 149gr FMJ....just some bulk I picked up locally.  Went straight through 5/16" steel at 100 yards from a 16" barrel.
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Looks like your rifle likes that load.  Get you hands on some AR500 steel targets.... that's when it gets fun... lol.  Most HP rifle rounds have no problems going through mild steel.
1/5/2014 7:10:45 PM EDT
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Two. However, there's more to "accuracy" than this. Not only the shooter, but barrel and platform. Most barrels will shoot ~1 MOA, but you'll need to shoot a statistically significant number of rounds to find what your system shoots. Since that can get expensive, most folks opt for something on the order of 10 - 20 rounds - and count your "fliers". I usually shoot a string of 20.

Since Im high at 100, where does that put me at 200?
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We need more info like muzzle velocity, ballistic coefficient of the bullet, sight height, etc. There are many ballistics calculators on the web to help you determine trajectory.
1/6/2014 12:47:52 AM EDT
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The real question is how many shots do you need to feel comfortable with your consistency?

Going back to grade school geometry, it takes a minimum of 3 points to make a two dimensional plane. If you as a shooter, can place three shots and then put twenty more inside the same area created by the first three (or at least call the shots that go outside of it without looking at the target - you just know that they felt wrong), then three is all you need. If you can't do that, Shoot 10 and only look at the ones that are clustered together, ignoring stragglers.

If you can't get a majority of the shots into a smaller cluster, or can't even answer the question of which shots were the stragglers, spend more time dry firing and shooting groups for group size. Ignore placement on the target. and just focus on fundamentals, getting solid groups for a while.
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