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7/23/2008 7:13:18 PM EDT
hey guys, ive been reading a book called "BLACKWATER the rise of the worlds most powerful mercenary army" when i came across a section that discussed the use of some experimental ammo that is made by a co named LE MAS. all it says is the company is based out of arkansas and the rounds are called aplp.

they can penetrate armor and steel but will not pass through flesh.

any info on this stuff? i googled it and came up with a few defense reviews and other articles but thats about it.

is it legal to buy? where can i get some?
7/23/2008 7:53:52 PM EDT
[#1]


LeMas ammo has been thoroughly dubunked as nothing special, and most is loaded to dangerous pressures.

7/23/2008 7:56:53 PM EDT
[#2]
debunked by whom?
7/23/2008 8:13:00 PM EDT
[#3]
Everyone that's bothered to scientifically test it.

All the threads are in the archives now, if you have access to tacticalforums.com that thread might still be there.

LeMas rifle ammo is nothing but standard commercial lightweight softpoint or hollowpoint bullets loaded to near (and in some cases actual) proof-load pressures for very high velocity.  The rifle bullets they moly-coated so that they would look different/special to the uninformed.

Here's a post from an archive thread with some good actual technical information along with some pointed mocking of LeMas' chief liar:

Quoted:
The demonstrated operational design and capability of Lemas Ltd. appears to have achieved a greater and more rapid probability for 0 mission capability than has ever been chronicled.

The deployment of silence after the dramatic fragmentation of the BS spewed about these rounds was caused by the proof that most of the rounds were nothing more than off the shelf light weight bullets driven to high velocities has completely dispelled the magic fairy dust they were dependent on.

magic fairy dust indeed.....


Quoted:
Using stereomicroscopy comparative analysis and SEM data, AFTE affiliated forensic scientists were able to prove that each of the LeMas rifle loads tested actually used commercially produced conventional rifle bullets: for example, the LeMas 5.56 mm Urban Warfare load is actually a Nosler 40 gr Ballistic Tip #39510, while the LeMas 5.56 mm Land Warfare appears to be a Sierra 45 gr JSP Varminter #1310. Similarly the LeMas .308 Land Warfare turned out to be a Hornady 110 gr JSP #3010, while the LeMas .308 TFSP is really a Hornady 110 gr VMAX #23010, and the LeMas .308 Urban Warfare is a Nosler 125 gr Ballistic Tip #30125--oh, and the one lead-free LeMas rifle load we tested, the .308 SSSP/HARPPII, turned out to use Barnes Solid 125 gr all brass bullets #30812.


etc etc etc

The strange reading post is a satirical mocking of Stan Bulmer's rambling technobabble approach to "salesmanship".

Save yourself the trouble and buy safe and good, known performance ammo from reputable companies at market prices.
7/23/2008 8:17:45 PM EDT
[#4]
thanks for the help
7/24/2008 7:45:54 AM EDT
[#5]
Also check the "Exotic Ammo FAQ" linked to in the FAQ.
7/24/2008 4:00:47 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
hey guys, ive been reading a book called "BLACKWATER the rise of the worlds most powerful mercenary army" ?


Isn't that book blast on BW in somewhat of a liberal point of view?

7/24/2008 4:33:16 PM EDT
[#7]
Man, I wish I had a shit-load of that stuff I could sell.
7/24/2008 4:37:04 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
hey guys, ive been reading a book called "BLACKWATER the rise of the worlds most powerful mercenary army" ?


Isn't that book blast on BW in somewhat of a liberal point of view?




Not if you have the evil corporate mercenary view point
7/24/2008 9:34:41 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
hey guys, ive been reading a book called "BLACKWATER the rise of the worlds most powerful mercenary army" ?


Isn't that book blast on BW in somewhat of a liberal point of view?

it does talk down to what blackwater is and what their mission is. talks alot about the ins and outs of the co, their beginning, CEO etc. very interesting read though.

7/24/2008 9:52:45 PM EDT
[#10]
so i do have one question on this ammo. the reports from the blackwater employee who used it stated that he shot the subject in the ass and the wound was so massive that it caused instant death. guess it tore a huge hole through his rear and into his abdomen.

if he was shooting that le mas ammo and it was loaded with the 40 gr varmit gernade round why did it do so much damage? i know that that round is designed to expand rapidly and cause damage in a small varmit but why did it work so well in a 200lb ish human? i would think that that round being so small wouldnt do much damage?
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