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Posted: 3/7/2007 12:23:18 PM EDT
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Hello. Im thinking about bring naughty and putting an M4 upper on my m16a4 and or installing a collapseable or short stock. Now if I can not swing the upper but install a shorter stock with the shorter buffer tube, will this cause cycling problems or does it not matter? I just want to make sure that if I make these mods, mostly because the weapon becomes a lot harder to handle with all the bullshit body armor we wear, that the weapon will still function properly, in case my 240 goes down Or I need to be more precise and go to the m16. Last but not least, how, and what tools will I need to change out the buttstock? Thank you, KS |
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But of course you can fuglify your rifle by putting a carbine stock on there, just don't forget the carbine buffer & spring. Only tools you'll need is a screwdriver to the A2 off and a multi-tool to get the carbine one on...maybe a vice & action block if you want to do it right but I've done it without them. ETA: A1 stock might be a good option as well. |
Why dont you go hug the 1SG and tell him the M240 is too big and heavy to carry. See if he can get the supply sgt to take it back so you can keep the A4, M9, claymores, AT4 and Singars manpack and IBA you seem to be issued........ I wish I had one just like you on my last pump........  Just before you go over take the inner pannels out of the IBA and replace them with some cut from a ground mat the same size, then it will be nice and light and not "bullshit armor". Must be a cherry........it shows |
Ha.  Bean Bandit- Modifying an A4 into an M4 is not as simple as it seems, oh yeah, and it's a really bad idea. The M4 took years to get right, and frankly, they are still working on it. There are many considerations to take into account, and none of them are recommended. Your post definately implys that you are either a soldier or, my bet, a Marine. Don't be stupid. You got what you got, learn to use it. I have done more than my share in the sand-box, and trust me, you can do a hell of a lot more than you think with an M16A4, even with the "bullshit" body armor. I know that the 240 is a bitch to haul around, but also remember your duty is implicitly tied to that machine gun. There are pleanty of rifles already in the fight, they need your accurate suppressive fire more than they need a cobbled together amateur attempt at carbine manufacturing. Reach down, grab hold, and get the job done with that which the benevolent Uncle Sam has provided to you. |
Its not that weird, when I was a M240 gunner I was issued a M240B, M4 carbine and a M9 (later given up to our driver as it is much easier to maneuver in the hatch). Didn't carry them all at the same time, but I still had all of them available to me when in the truck. |
Gunner carring an M240 and a M16A4, A 240 with a stoppage, or the need to go more precise?  One, I have 10 of thousands of rounds through an M240B and never had a stoppage, not once, so how many do you have that there is a need a back up battle rifle?. And two, 9-round bursts that look like cloverleafs, with iron sights, on the "ABCD" Basic Machinegun (25m T&E) target was the norm, how much more precise do you need? That and you guys should have optics for the things by now, and if not, spend your money on that and you will have all the "precise" you need. That GPMG is the most casulaty producing weapon in your Platoon, don't "plan" to dump it. For real, if you are the Gunner then try to be the best one you can be, improve in every way you can, and don't scheme to ditch the gun. Your PSG that has you on said gun must think you are good, unless he is the dumb ass type that assigns the gun as punishment. Either way though, you are the one, so make your preps' around that weapon, not another, for I would take that weapon any day over something else. |
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Thanks for the replies. I should clairify, I would have replied sooner, but a mission came up as I was writing it and they came and got me(it was eventually canked because 2-12 is scared to action targets; they actually wanted to wait until morning instead of at night when we get MUCH better results baging a guy). I am a truck gunner, not a 240 humping guy. We were on a guy who was in I believe northern Ghazaliyah. We came into a narrow alley way with housing on 5 feet to our right. It would have been best to go to my rifle in this situation as traversing the turret was way too slow for one, and lack of elevation didnt cover much of the area we were in. So I oriented myself foreward and let other vehicles (there was only 4 114's) cover the flanks and rear. There were dismounted troops at this point. I dont think 7.62 machine gun fire is the way to go in that situation with over penetration and quantity of lead from even a short burst, not to mention the problems mentioned above. Im not a big guy. Im 5'3", and the OTV and E-SAPI''s do cause me grief. I call it BS armor because Id rather be mobile. When I was a LAV crewman, I wore my second chance vest and I liked that, despite its lack of serious protection(and subsequent recalls). The flack jacket is what was standard issue with an H-harness when I first came in. I dont care for all the armor we wear, because most of my experience has been with lighter, more mobile stuff. In fact we didnt even like the flack jacket because of its detriment to accurately firing a rifle. I have to angle myself to be able to shoot the a4. IE I am not square with my target and I cannot put the weapon in my shoulder at all, let alone properly. I personally think it better to be able to engage the enemy accurately than be able to take hits. Thats why I sit, kneel, stand behind cover. Its a good thing we have red dot sights nowadays. An M4 would seriously help my situation, a shorter stock on an A4 would be almost as good... Oh yes I love the 240. I shot it for the first time in 96 at camp gyger. I know its extrememly accurate and reliable. Its always been a favorite since then. Its the bmw m3 of MG's. I was thinking the army might have still had the m60s. Im glad they wised up. Yeah 240 going down, not sure what I was thinking there... maybe running out of ammo???? Oh, and dont call me a fucking cherry thank you very much.... I see a lot of condesending in the army to one up the other guy in an effort to make your self look better. Its very.... high schoolish. Grow up kid. Show some professionalism, especially when you are talking to someone who probably has 3 to 4 times the amount of time in the service as you do. When someone brags about or makes fun of someone else on some issue its usually because of an insecurity in one's self on that very same issue. Its very transparent to the adults in the room. Im going to post this question in the armorer section and see what they have to say about it, but I think one of the guys had a point about the whole "still a work in progress, thrown together rifle" comment. Thanks for the replies. |
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