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Posted: 5/12/2015 11:11:49 AM EDT
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When i insert a mag into the well, it takes a bit of force to get the catch to lock it. If i pull the BCG out of the upper, or insert the mag in without the upper then it will slide in an lock very easily. But with the BCG in the upper and the upper on the lower, it takes a decent amount of force.
Ive taken out the takedown pin and the mag when inserted acts almost like a spring on the upper and it takes a little push to get them to go together. If I take the mag out the upper and lower sit together without any effort. The question is, is this normal? This is my first AR and i built it from the ground up. It functions beautifully, so there is no reliability issues from this. If it matters these are 30rd pmags loaded with 29rd. |
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I will have to try those.
But i suspect it is as you say, the rounds touching the BCG. This is normal though? I imagine it would have something to do with being able to feed rounds into the chamber? Bolt goes back, spring tension in mag pushes round up, bolt catches round and pushes it into chamber. |
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The official, approved, and instituted method of loading the M16 in the Armed Forces is to lock the bolt back before loading the magazine. It will automatically do that on every subsequent empty mag. It has a bolt hold open to make it easier, to get the shooter rapidly back into action with the minimum delay.
Lock the bolt back, insert mag, punch the bolt release, LET IT SLAM HOME, remove safety, aim, fire. Forcing a loaded magazine against a closed bolt is problematic in combat - they fall out, the soldier fires the one round, and is then out of the action until he reloads. Bad mojo. Combat rifles are designed to help, not hinder. Don't load full mags against closed bolts, and the wide variety of issues from it disappears. This is why the M16 can shoot more rounds with magazine changes than the AK. Loading the AK against a closed empty bolt means charging it against the fully loaded magazine pressure, and further delay in getting it in action. Don't be that guy and you will have a happy life with the AR15. |
| Thanks for that. I made sure its set in there though. The reason I ask, is I loaded mine for quick deployment from my house, but I havent chambered a round, nor is the bolt open. The idea is if needed, to run into the room, grab it out of the case, cock it and be ready to go. I wouldnt be loading a mag on a closed bolt in any other scenario if avoidable. |
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You would think that if you have an AR, that you would learn how to use it! infam1s is obviously an AK kind of guy. :) Now get to work infam1s! Easier said than done. First AR, first one I have ever held and or shot as well. I go shoot it as much as my pocket book allows. |
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Easier said than done. First AR, first one I have ever held and or shot as well. I go shoot it as much as my pocket book allows. Quoted:
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You would think that if you have an AR, that you would learn how to use it! infam1s is obviously an AK kind of guy. :) Now get to work infam1s! Easier said than done. First AR, first one I have ever held and or shot as well. I go shoot it as much as my pocket book allows. Well, I feel sheepish! 
Sorry, I thought that you were a coworker of mine that is having the same issue on his first AR! |
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Quick deployment = chambered round.
Same as concealed carry - yet some do without a round in the chamber. Consider what you are attempting - you see a threat, run into the house. 1) you didn't have a CC gun on you, 2) no reason to think the opponent won't be on your heels. You open the door allowing them access, run down the hall showing them where you have the gun, reach for it and they are on your back. Even if they don't attempt to follow you, coming back outside with the gun is escalating the situation. There are so many what if's with that scenario it's not going to bring any consistent answers. Better to consider how the gun needs to be safely and securely stored in the house. Children? Casual acquaintances roaming thru at odd hours bring in their friends? Most guns are stolen because the owner was obvious about having one and where he stored it. I would address the concern with a concealed carry pistol outside. The gun stored inside should be nearly inaccessible to anyone entering the home except you - and the few seconds difference in locking back the bolt to load it correctly goes to not seeing the situation develop soon enough and taking action earlier. Locked and loaded, or stored empty with the ammo separate under another lock. The in between variations are what cause theft and ND's. |
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Well, I feel sheepish!
Sorry, I thought that you were a coworker of mine that is having the same issue on his first AR! Quoted:
Well, I feel sheepish!
Sorry, I thought that you were a coworker of mine that is having the same issue on his first AR! No worries. For the record, I did check and the mag locks in easily with the bolt open. So it was the resistance against the closed bolt. Quoted:
Quick deployment = chambered round. Same as concealed carry - yet some do without a round in the chamber. Consider what you are attempting - you see a threat, run into the house. 1) you didn't have a CC gun on you, 2) no reason to think the opponent won't be on your heels. You open the door allowing them access, run down the hall showing them where you have the gun, reach for it and they are on your back. Even if they don't attempt to follow you, coming back outside with the gun is escalating the situation. There are so many what if's with that scenario it's not going to bring any consistent answers. Better to consider how the gun needs to be safely and securely stored in the house. Children? Casual acquaintances roaming thru at odd hours bring in their friends? Most guns are stolen because the owner was obvious about having one and where he stored it. I would address the concern with a concealed carry pistol outside. The gun stored inside should be nearly inaccessible to anyone entering the home except you - and the few seconds difference in locking back the bolt to load it correctly goes to not seeing the situation develop soon enough and taking action earlier. Locked and loaded, or stored empty with the ammo separate under another lock. The in between variations are what cause theft and ND's. Well said. I may have to rethink my storage. I have it in a location where they would have to snoop to get it, but i dont have many other options nor is it locked up because my safe isnt big enough. There has to be a balance between relatively safe (not chambered) but loaded and quick access vs locked. Thats where the trouble lies. I live alone, but I have my kids that come over from time to time but they know to stay away from things. I have been working at it being for Home Defense and night. I roll out of bed grab it and go. My front door is locked most of the time, even when I am home and awake. I do need to get on the CC wagon. But at the moment, sadly I am nary prepared for much of anything. Id like to get something like http://tacticalwalls.com/shop/1450m-bundle/ |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Takes a lot of force to seat a loaded mag on a closed bolt? Completely normal. This. http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag91/inFAM1S/not-sure-if-serious-or-sarcastic.jpg_zpsjfx2xrow.png |
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Don't load your 30 round mags to 30 rounds. Quoted:
Don't load your 30 round mags to 30 rounds. I have heard of this, I have also heard its BS. There seems to be two schools of thought here, like there is in cooking to salt or not salt pasta water. Quoted:
20 round pmags are very easy to seat on a closed bolt. And 20 round mags are more better. I prefer my 30s. I have a 10rd I use when at the indoor range. Plus I live in CO, so 30s are hard to come by, that goes for 20s too. 
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