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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Magpul AFG (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/5/2009 8:24:57 PM EDT
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Whats up with no LINK....  http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=124&t=182094 |
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Thanks....Just what a lil magpul whore like myself wanted to see! Wish i wouldnt have known about it til it was out 
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If you have not trained with the guys at Magpul Dynamics or at least seen their DVDs, the application of the AFG does not make sense. The AFG is to be used with the technique taught by Magpul Dynamics. Using that technique, a VFG is utilized merely as a hand stop, and you're left grabbing only the rail. The AFG addresses that, and it is not meant to replace a VFG used in the traditional manner. For those that didn't read the above linked thread:  Quoted: Quoted: Dam Magpul ! They keep coming out with such great products at such reasonable prices! It's a addiction! If Tapco came out with it, most of you guys would be calling it hideous and stupid  Tapco makes stuff based on what looks cool. Magpul's products are created with extensive end user input, testing, and evaluation based on what works well. |
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If you like the particular grip style shown in the advertisement then this would be the perfect product for it. me personally, I think that grip is uncomfortable but it is not what I am used to.
Other than punching paper at the range/training classes has anyone ever used that particular weapon hold during building clearing/CQB training? |
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If you like the particular grip style shown in the advertisement then this would be the perfect product for it. me personally, I think that grip is uncomfortable but it is not what I am used to. Other than punching paper at the range/training classes has anyone ever used that particular weapon hold during building clearing/CQB training? Well can't say that I ever used that grip for clearing buildings or CQB ( am not and never have been a door kicker) but that grip looks an awful lot like how we use to hold M1s, M14s & M16s before sharp edged metal rails and vertical foregrips came on the scene. What goes around comes around !!! |
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Don't go getting in such a hurry. Couple more years and they will be available. I do look forward to trying one If they want to take advantage of the civilian market they had better get it out sooner rather than later. I have money and Constitutional guaranteed rights now, maybe not later. |
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More gimmick shit to seperate the cool aid drinkers from there money. Or how about something to enhance controllability based on the style that magpul shoots? How many training classes have you ever taken? How many with magpul? The products they've been making lately are a direct result of the classes they instruct. The ASAP plate, the MS2, the BAD lever. This product may make it easier to use their grip, more comfortable, and it may actually enhance it. But thats a gimmick? Its for the coolaid drinkers? You guys haven't even seen it yet, haven't even tried it, and probably still hold your AR at the magwell or use your VFG like a broomstick...so I guess I shouldn't be suprised. I don't get this place sometimes. |
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Its nuts and just another example of lack of understanding of the reason for the VFG.
The VFG was originally intended to allow a grip on a railed forearm that also had a pac-4, light, and other tech widgits so there was no way to use a traditional grip. Over time tihis has modified into a way to manipulate the rifle. the goal latley has been to make a more snag free design see the snubby grips and the Knights fingerguard because the VFG sticks out and makes the rifle harder not easier to manipulate the rifle. This is an answer without a problem the original correct answer is remove the VFG |
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Its nuts and just another example of lack of understanding of the reason for the VFG. The VFG was originally intended to allow a grip on a railed forearm that also had a pac-4, light, and other tech widgits so there was no way to use a traditional grip. Over time tihis has modified into a way to manipulate the rifle. the goal latley has been to make a more snag free design see the snubby grips and the Knights fingerguard because the VFG sticks out and makes the rifle harder not easier to manipulate the rifle. This is an answer without a problem the original correct answer is remove the VFG And you're saying this based on experience with the product and grip style in question? |
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I like it.
I was actually going to modify some existing products to achieve something like that myself, then I saw this product. For me, at least, the product void was already present. If it works for you, cool. If it doesn't, oh well. Find something else to bitch about besides people enjoying a company's products.
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| It is another example of a company providing a product that will work for some of us. If you use that style of shooting then it's probably going to be beneficial, if not, then it won.t. Just be happy in the fact that enough people are creating enough products to allow every shooter a setup that suits THEM best. |
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More gimmick shit to seperate the cool aid drinkers from there money. Or how about something to enhance controllability based on the style that magpul shoots? How many training classes have you ever taken? How many with magpul? The products they've been making lately are a direct result of the classes they instruct. The ASAP plate, the MS2, the BAD lever. This product may make it easier to use their grip, more comfortable, and it may actually enhance it. But thats a gimmick? Its for the coolaid drinkers? You guys haven't even seen it yet, haven't even tried it, and probably still hold your AR at the magwell or use your VFG like a broomstick...so I guess I shouldn't be suprised. I don't get this place sometimes. I have taken classes, best one was with Kyle Lamb. I saw magpuls tapes and decided I would never spend money on a class with them. No I dont hold the magwell, no I dont broomstick and even if you do there isnt anything wrong with it. This is for you 
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Is it possible you're somewhat narrow minded? I've taken couple dozen courses, including some with Jeff Gonzales and Scott Reitz, based on what I could discern from the Magpul DVDs and from folks that have been through the Magpul courses, I would love to take one of theirs. There had been some I didn't like, but I still took what I wanted/needed out of the classes. It's difficult to imagine how one could come to the conclusion that a class isn't for them without having taking it first, but by watching a DVD.
But then the Magpul courses aren't for everyone either, I guess. The AFG isn't for everyone, nor is Magpul trying to impose it or force it on anyone. Holding a foregrip like a broom handle, there is something wrong with it, if you hold it near its bottom, the stability is reduced, thus the "thumb break" method to cope with it. This AFG isn't for you and that's perfectly fine, but why label others who find it useful as kool aid drinkers? |
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Is it possible you're somewhat narrow minded? I've taken couple dozen courses, including some with Jeff Gonzales and Scott Reitz, based on what I could discern from the Magpul DVDs and from folks that have been through the Magpul courses, I would love to take one of theirs. There had been some I didn't like, but I still took what I wanted/needed out of the classes. It's difficult to imagine how one could come to the conclusion that a class isn't for them without having taking it first, but by watching a DVD. But then the Magpul courses aren't for everyone either, I guess. The AFG isn't for everyone, nor is Magpul trying to impose it or force it on anyone. Holding a foregrip like a broom handle, there is something wrong with it, if you hold it near its bottom, the stability is reduced, thus the "thumb break" method to cope with it. This AFG isn't for you and that's perfectly fine, but why label others who find it useful as kool aid drinkers? No not at all I will try anything but seeing and hearing some of the things the magpul guys train I pulled off going to a class. magpul makes alot of good products many that I use but this is not one of them. |
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More gimmick shit to seperate the cool aid drinkers from there money. Or how about something to enhance controllability based on the style that magpul shoots? How many training classes have you ever taken? How many with magpul? The products they've been making lately are a direct result of the classes they instruct. The ASAP plate, the MS2, the BAD lever. This product may make it easier to use their grip, more comfortable, and it may actually enhance it. But thats a gimmick? Its for the coolaid drinkers? You guys haven't even seen it yet, haven't even tried it, and probably still hold your AR at the magwell or use your VFG like a broomstick...so I guess I shouldn't be suprised. I don't get this place sometimes. I agree with the red part... Funny that we have been shooting the AR for over 40 years. myself for over 30, without that thing strapped to the forearm...now it's needed. That... I don't get. 
It's not needed and it's silly to think that it is. |
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Quoted: What is a broomstick Hold? Could someone expalin this one or even post a pic if it is not too much trouble. Posted from "Pictures of your AR in action" thread. As explained by the guys at Magpul, the broomstick grip allows for more lateral play while firing.  |
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Quoted: What is a broomstick Hold? Could someone expalin this one or even post a pic if it is not too much trouble.  That is a broomstick hold  bear with me here, but it reminds me of the potato grip, just executed 1000000x better. The angle you would hold the potato seems to be the same, but the potato hangs down to far to help with controlability.  |
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Quoted: Quoted: What is a broomstick Hold? Could someone expalin this one or even post a pic if it is not too much trouble. http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/Magpul_Industries/AFG_4.jpg That is a broomstick hold bear with me here, but it reminds me of the potato grip, just executed 1000000x better. The angle you would hold the potato seems to be the same, but the potato hangs down to far to help with controlability. http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg17/Iown4/ARR-605.jpg The AFG is supposed to let you grip high along the bore to be more aggressive. |
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What is a broomstick Hold? Could someone expalin this one or even post a pic if it is not too much trouble. http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/Magpul_Industries/AFG_4.jpg That is a broomstick hold
bear with me here, but it reminds me of the potato grip, just executed 1000000x better. The angle you would hold the potato seems to be the same, but the potato hangs down to far to help with controlability. http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg17/Iown4/ARR-605.jpg The AFG is supposed to let you grip high along the bore to be more aggressive. Wouldn't gripping the forearm itself accomplish the exact same outcome? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is a broomstick Hold? Could someone expalin this one or even post a pic if it is not too much trouble. http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/Magpul_Industries/AFG_4.jpg That is a broomstick hold bear with me here, but it reminds me of the potato grip, just executed 1000000x better. The angle you would hold the potato seems to be the same, but the potato hangs down to far to help with controlability. http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg17/Iown4/ARR-605.jpg The AFG is supposed to let you grip high along the bore to be more aggressive. Wouldn't gripping the forearm itself accomplish the exact same outcome? Magpul couldn't make a buck if we all thought like that  On a more serious note, if you just gripped the forearm you wouldn't have a physical "reference point" that a foregrip, handstop, or this product provides. |
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Quoted: Quoted: bear with me here, but it reminds me of the potato grip, just executed 1000000x better. The angle you would hold the potato seems to be the same, but the potato hangs down to far to help with controlability. http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg17/Iown4/ARR-605.jpg The AFG is supposed to let you grip high along the bore to be more aggressive. Quoted: Wouldn't gripping the forearm itself accomplish the exact same outcome? It looks to me like the slight angle of the AFG might be a bit more comfortable to some. I won't knock it 'til I try it, seems like a simple yet effective accessory. |
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I am a Magpul whore myself, but I don't like the looks of this. I will just stick with an el-cheapo tapco stubby VG and use it as a stop. Actually, I don't even have that yet so for now I will stick with my MOE hand guards and no VG of any kind.
I really dig most of the stuff magpul has put out. I own Pmags, Moe; trigger guards, hand guards, stocks, pistol grips, MS2 sling ect and I really like all of them. But I don't think this thing is for me. |
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The great thing about this country is that at least for the meantime, its still free.
That being said I will spend my money however the hell I want and put whatever the hell I want on my rifle and not give to damns what anyone says about it. Is something like this needed? Jesus of course not. Does it help promote a better grip angle for the style of shooting that Magpul Dynamics teaches....yes it does. I would bet cold hard cash that there is no on on this thread bashing this product that can outshoot either Chris Costa or Travis. Is the reason they shoot so well because of an angled foregrip? Of course not, but their constant shooting and training has led to their insight on the development of some very functional products that they wholeheartedly believe in. I would bet every penny I own that niether Chris or Travis would put their name on or endorse a product that they didnt believe in 100% Buncha fuckin haters around here. |
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More gimmick shit to seperate the cool aid drinkers from there money. Or how about something to enhance controllability based on the style that magpul shoots? How many training classes have you ever taken? How many with magpul? The products they've been making lately are a direct result of the classes they instruct. The ASAP plate, the MS2, the BAD lever. This product may make it easier to use their grip, more comfortable, and it may actually enhance it. But thats a gimmick? Its for the coolaid drinkers? You guys haven't even seen it yet, haven't even tried it, and probably still hold your AR at the magwell or use your VFG like a broomstick...so I guess I shouldn't be suprised. I don't get this place sometimes. I have taken classes, best one was with Kyle Lamb. I saw magpuls tapes and decided I would never spend money on a class with them. No I dont hold the magwell, no I dont broomstick and even if you do there isnt anything wrong with it. This is for you http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1584/00056639.jpg Class does not equal the vid, but you'd have to actually take the class to know that... My point is, you haven't tried their grip, you haven't tried the product. I'm a koolaid drinker, and you're just...well, completely ignorant and have no basis to make any comments on the matter? Ok, I'll take that. |
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More gimmick shit to seperate the cool aid drinkers from there money. Or how about something to enhance controllability based on the style that magpul shoots? How many training classes have you ever taken? How many with magpul? The products they've been making lately are a direct result of the classes they instruct. The ASAP plate, the MS2, the BAD lever. This product may make it easier to use their grip, more comfortable, and it may actually enhance it. But thats a gimmick? Its for the coolaid drinkers? You guys haven't even seen it yet, haven't even tried it, and probably still hold your AR at the magwell or use your VFG like a broomstick...so I guess I shouldn't be suprised. I don't get this place sometimes. I agree with the red part... Funny that we have been shooting the AR for over 40 years. myself for over 30, without that thing strapped to the forearm...now it's needed. That... I don't get.
It's not needed and it's silly to think that it is. Who said it was needed? Half the shit made is not needed. Luckily, need has very little to do with AR15's in general. Want and innovation however do. Do you need it? Absolutely not. Will it aid a certain group of shooters that utilize a certain style of grip? Perhaps. I'm happy with my bobro VFG's and use them more as a reference point rather than an actual grip. This product MIGHT accomplish the same thing, at half the price while streamlining the gun and removing frankly alot of wasted material. Again, this is the beauty of capitalism. You aren't forced to use it, nobody is making anyone buy it. It blows my mind that those who think it may be a decent product are labeled Koolaid drinkers by SOME here, when they have absolutely no experience with the product being discussed. I could care less who makes it, if it works and is as good of quality as the rest of the gear I run on my guns, then it may be a good purchase. But until the damn thing is released and one tries it, its pretty damn hard to tell isn't it? |
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Is it possible you're somewhat narrow minded? I've taken couple dozen courses, including some with Jeff Gonzales and Scott Reitz, based on what I could discern from the Magpul DVDs and from folks that have been through the Magpul courses, I would love to take one of theirs. There had been some I didn't like, but I still took what I wanted/needed out of the classes. It's difficult to imagine how one could come to the conclusion that a class isn't for them without having taking it first, but by watching a DVD. But then the Magpul courses aren't for everyone either, I guess. The AFG isn't for everyone, nor is Magpul trying to impose it or force it on anyone. Holding a foregrip like a broom handle, there is something wrong with it, if you hold it near its bottom, the stability is reduced, thus the "thumb break" method to cope with it. This AFG isn't for you and that's perfectly fine, but why label others who find it useful as kool aid drinkers? No not at all I will try anything but seeing and hearing some of the things the magpul guys train I pulled off going to a class. magpul makes alot of good products many that I use but this is not one of them. Would you mind specifying what you heard that kept you from going? |
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What is a broomstick Hold? Could someone expalin this one or even post a pic if it is not too much trouble. http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/Magpul_Industries/AFG_4.jpg That is a broomstick hold
bear with me here, but it reminds me of the potato grip, just executed 1000000x better. The angle you would hold the potato seems to be the same, but the potato hangs down to far to help with controlability. http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg17/Iown4/ARR-605.jpg The AFG is supposed to let you grip high along the bore to be more aggressive. Wouldn't gripping the forearm itself accomplish the exact same outcome? The reason I think this product may have merit is the angle that you wrist will be at, along with a slight ridge to pull backward on. I recently put a VFG on my recce to have a point to index on and pull slightly backward on. After running with no VFG, I realized I preferred having something there. This product just might accomplish the same feat, and hopefully will put less stress on my wrist. |
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More gimmick shit to seperate the cool aid drinkers from there money. Or how about something to enhance controllability based on the style that magpul shoots? How many training classes have you ever taken? How many with magpul? The products they've been making lately are a direct result of the classes they instruct. The ASAP plate, the MS2, the BAD lever. This product may make it easier to use their grip, more comfortable, and it may actually enhance it. But thats a gimmick? Its for the coolaid drinkers? You guys haven't even seen it yet, haven't even tried it, and probably still hold your AR at the magwell or use your VFG like a broomstick...so I guess I shouldn't be suprised. I don't get this place sometimes. I have taken classes, best one was with Kyle Lamb. I saw magpuls tapes and decided I would never spend money on a class with them. No I dont hold the magwell, no I dont broomstick and even if you do there isnt anything wrong with it. This is for you http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1584/00056639.jpg Agreed. Seems we think the same way. I love magpul...they just went too far out on this one....and maybe the MBUS too...and the forearms...love the PMAGS / CTR / ACS / Grips. |
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More gimmick shit to seperate the cool aid drinkers from there money. Or how about something to enhance controllability based on the style that magpul shoots? How many training classes have you ever taken? How many with magpul? The products they've been making lately are a direct result of the classes they instruct. The ASAP plate, the MS2, the BAD lever. This product may make it easier to use their grip, more comfortable, and it may actually enhance it. But thats a gimmick? Its for the coolaid drinkers? You guys haven't even seen it yet, haven't even tried it, and probably still hold your AR at the magwell or use your VFG like a broomstick...so I guess I shouldn't be suprised. I don't get this place sometimes. I have taken classes, best one was with Kyle Lamb. I saw magpuls tapes and decided I would never spend money on a class with them. No I dont hold the magwell, no I dont broomstick and even if you do there isnt anything wrong with it. This is for you http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1584/00056639.jpg Agreed. Seems we think the same way. I love magpul...they just went too far out on this one....and maybe the MBUS too...and the forearms...love the PMAGS / CTR / ACS / Grips. I enjoy my MBUS but Im forced to draw the line |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Magpul AFG (Page 1 of 2)
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