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Posted: 6/13/2006 2:48:54 PM EDT
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I just got handed three tubes (and one small bottle) of Militec-1 lubricant and I'm a little confused about the application instructions: "Apply a thin film to all metal surfaces. Fire or heat to operating temperature. Reapply, fire again. Effect increases thru third application. Wipe weapon dry to avoid sand and dust contamination." In between those first three applications do I clean the parts normally (I usually use Hoppe's #9 as a solvent)? |
+1 I would use just about anything else besides Militec. Instructions should read:"Throw product into trash container immediately upon acquisition." The chemistry is all wrong with what they are telling you. The halogenation does not require outside heating of the weapon. The effect will occur under normal operating conditions, regardless of the ambient temperature. The heating of the gun mumbo jumbo is marketing BS. Add to this the fact that the chlorine content is too high/not balanced and might actually CAUSE rust on your guns by generating hydrochloric acid. Especially in wet environments. Watch out for a strong citrus odder.  In case you are interested. This Corrosion Experiment can be found on SIG forum. Scroll down the page. Notice also that Armalube, which I believe uses very similar chemistry, had similar results. |
| It conditions the metal; I put it on my FAL piston because it would also cut down on carbon build up. I shot two SA battle packs and it looked no different than before the treatment, and I couldn't tell if there was anymore wear on it, well you really can't tell in the first place. My FAL did smell weird after a mag, but went away after twohundred and twenty more rounds. |
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If you want an oil that will give you the "anti wear" properties of milcrap and still offer some rust protection look into fp-10. fp-10 keeps the anti wear propeties down to where it should be lees than 10% per vol of carrier oil. Now if ATF does not botter you I woul recomend mixing milcrap into ATF at a 10% mix and go from there. |
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Im using TW25B and MC-3000 on miniguns, per the guidance from Dillon Aero and have zero rust problems on the inner workings of the gun. This is in a Jungle enviroment. My barrels on the other hand I have lots of rust problems if I dont use the spray on molycoat. Miniguns tend to get a bit hotter than the average AR based weapons system. |
because it's so true!
That crap is NEVER EVER going to get into my engine let alone in the cabin. It's not worthy of my 97 Tahoe or 02 Z28! 
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| I use Militec and have used it for 4 years on 5 M-4's. I use it as a bore conditioner and lube. In AZ I just let the rifle sit outside for ten minutes. I use the grease for spring lube. My son took it to Iraq and his platoon uses it as a lube not a protectant. I sent him EEZOX to spray on his platoons weapons as a protectent and general lube. Jimmy is absolutely sold on Militec as a lube on the automatic weapons in his platoon. Put it on properly and keep the weapon as dry as possible. |
Probably not much better. But I don't know about you but I'm not in the habit of detail cleaning and lubing my weapon, then spraying it down with some salt water prior to storage. Just call me a rebel. |
 From an earlier Experiment by the same guy on SIG forum. He used 5W30 and ATF. |
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I picked up my 1st AR-15 last year after the last owner had fired 500 rounds of Wolf Russian Ammo through it. Before I went out I field stripped it for inspection and cleaning. It takes some time but I’m one that would rather find a problem before I pull the trigger with a live round in my weapon. Before I reassembled my AR I treated all the moving parts with Microlon. At the range I treated the barrel with the “Gun Juice” from Microlon (10 rounds). After each trip to the range I have only cleaned the barrel, bolt assembly, & bolt carrier without any oiling after each cleaning. To date, I have fired another 400 rounds of Wolf Russian Ammo and 150 rounds of U.S. Factory ammo through this weapon. My Colt AR-15 7.62x39 shows no sign of rust, corrosion, or wear other than that that was present before the Microlon treatment. I have treated several of my shooting buddies rifles and handguns with Microlon with great results. I have included a link to a web site where you can find more information and order the product if you wish. The important thing is “FOLLOW DIRECTIONS” and it will work! BTW, after treatment I pulled in my 100-yard groups by over ½ inch with the Wolf Ammo and almost ¾ inch with U.S. Factory ammo. |
I use nothing but BF CLP. After 800 rd of Wolf through my 16" M4 in 1 range sitting, I did not notice any rusting or corrosion. 
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From a discusstion that I had on another board about Microlon: According to the MSDS' CAS #'s: : Naptha, Dimethyl Benzene (Toluene), and Trimethyl Benzene are the primary ingredients. Pretty nasty stuff. I though Eezox (which I like) was bad with their Trichloroethylene. And with a VOC of %98 and an evaporation rate of .01, one won't be seeing Microlon hang around long in liquid form. This means that only %2 of the product will remain on the gun, the rest goes into the air. With those base products, it should clean well!! From what I can see on their FAQ page, they use some sort of resin (epoxy) to fill in the "pores" (a misnomer) of the metal and not a chlorinated process. It could be PTFE particles though, as from what I have read, they respond in a similar manor to what they are talking about. From their FAQ page:
And from the  part of the FAQ:
It must stop wear COMPLETLLY  otherwise the gaps from new wear will extend beyond the "filler", and a new treatment would be needed.Smells just like snake oil to me. A 550 round string is not much of a test. I believe that SkagSig40 has reported 2800 rounds through his AR on a single lubing using SLIP 2000 with no problems. Another member here has seen very good results with FP10 and belt feds. Both of these products have low or no VOC (contents that will evaporate) and really seem to stay in place.
May I ask what you were using before?? |
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Tempest45 Microlon is far form being “Snake Oil.” The fact is Microlon is a one time “Anti-Friction” treatment developed for high velocity military weapons to extend the life of the barrels. The majority of the liquid that you see is only a delivery agent that is designed to evaporate. After a gun barrel has been treated (following directions) if one wished to removed Microlon you would have to place the barrel into an oven at 750°F for 35 minutes to allow the coating to be released from the treated metal surface. While treating the barrel of one friend’s air rifle, on the last shot (we could hear the difference in each pellet fired) we all ducked and looked around for the idiot that had just fired a .22 in our area. There was only us 3 there and that pellet had reached sonic speed. For Autos/trucks/RVs, it is recommended to be used in early engine life to get the best results. Just before our vacation last year I treated my Jeep at 204,000 miles. During that 3,500 plus mile trip I had gained 2 mpg his than before the Microlon treatment. I am almost ready to roll over to 219,000 miles on my Jeep and she still runs like a scalded cat with great performances even in 4x4. So I can say from personal experiences Microlon is “NO Snake Oil”! BTW, I went through the same problems with skeptics in the Artic of Alaska from follow Law Enforcement Officer when I 1st used a new product called “Teflon” on all my weapons. The end results came when the department started to make the change to Teflon to keep their weapons from freezing up in the Artic Temps that would get as low as -95°F below zero. I’m old enough to remember a time when standard gun oil was all that you had to use until the need for better lubricants came alone. Microlon is just the next step in the evolution chain offering a better product. It’s no skin off my noise if you don’t use it. AR15.COM is an information website that all one has to do is take a little time and searching with research to become better informed through others experiences both good and bad. All I am doing is helping pass on some good information to help payback the big bill I owe this site for the education and help that I have already received and nothing more The choice is yours alone, I’ve made mine. ArticWolf PS: Thanks for your information offered in this thread! |
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If it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is. I use FP-10 CLP because it stinks less than Breakfree and seems to work as well. I've had pretty good results. I've recently played with Ballistol as well for bolt guns, cleaning, and as a metal protectant. I've had pretty good results with that too. Militec may be a fine lube, but it's death on a stick in wet conditions with corrosive ammo. I've had shit poor results there. I generally prefer gun care gunk that doesn't stink up the whole house or get the neighborhood high with every application. |
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I will avoid products marketed towards GUNS and ENGINES because they are very different applications. No one keeps adding lube to the bore after each shot. Guns are not a rotating assembly inside an engine with a pressurized lube system. My Glock starts to choke only when the breech face and chamber start to gunk up due to carbon and powder residue from shooting 500+ rd of the cheap Wolf / Brown Bear ammo in a single range session during rapid-fire. Unless XYZ product automatically cleans the surfaces, it'll still amount to the same problem. |
| Glad i read this thread before i slathered militec on my soon to be finished first weapon hock.gif thanks guys. gonna look into the fp10 |
Very interesting.. "Submarine gun"???
Ask around long enough and you'll find a police chief that thinks that Lorcin handguns represent an excellent value in self defense. Welcome to the board anyway
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It's called marketing. Just about every lube company out there has some kind of comment section. Militec IS a better lube than CLP. Unfortunately, it is also better at combining with water and generating HCl. This causes rust and corrosion on metal in a hurry. It also contains no cleaning properties either. |
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I can understand their frustration if they were competing for a MIL-SPEC firearm lubricant, and not a CLP. But they even linked an article detailing how the Army still believes Break Free and Royal CLP are the only approved choices of CLP for use in desert warfare. By the way, does anyone know what the Israelis/IDF are using for their weapons? FN Herstal recommends CLP at least for their US weapons 
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Except they tell you that it will protect your guns up to a year from corrosion, sounds like the P to me, and that once your firearms have been treated, there is no longer a need for the C. No CLP or any other type of solvent. |
Except it doesn't really perform at all in the C and P department if you actually tried it out. It offers no rust protection and even they admit it isn't a cleaner. It's only a good lubricant that was originally designed for engines as an engine oil additive. |
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Well, I never had a spec of rust on any of my guns with Militec-1 being the only thing on them. Maybe if I were in a jungle environment that would be different. Our troops in Iraq are in a very dry environment, maybe this is why it is working well there. I am not a big fan of CLP. My take on the matter is this: Any all purpose cleaner/lube/protectant will be "good" at best for every purpose and great and none. Just like an all-season tire. This is why I use products that are intended for one job, and are great at that one job. Why compromise your gun with an all-purpose cleaner/lube/protectant. (of course this may be different if you need to carry everything, and thank God for the men and women who do!) |
I'm not saying it's either a good cleaner or preservative. The post I quoted was seeming to say that Militec has never been advertised as a cleaner or preservative, and that people bitching about it not cleaning or preserving well are pretty much dumbasses, and would complain that a bottle labled gasoline would complain that it wasn't potable water. I was merely trying to point out that people would assume that it's a good cleaner and preservative because that's the way it's marketed. Perhaps you should read all of a post before jumping in. |
| I'm been using Militec for abot a year and have had excellent results. I'm not in a humid environment, and I don't expect it to perform as a rust preventative. I've used it my personal weapons, and at my work, where it has performed well in full auto Colt Commandos and MP-5Ns. |
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