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Posted: 5/15/2012 12:28:07 PM EDT
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I would like to hear from shooters that have used / tried Militech -1, and what your opinions of it are.
TIA Bang-Flop ETA: I tried a search, but to no avail. |
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I've been using Militec-1 on my work and personal firearms for the last 15 years and have no complaints. I have used it on everything from single action revolvers to mp5s/m16s without any hiccups. It works, plain and simple. With your selection of weapons, I'm glad the results have been positive results for you, and for such a long time period of time too. My initial purpose in trying this product was in repelling the very find sand and dust that resembles talcum powder, or cornstarch. This part of the country is desert, and in many cases not all that different from "the sandbox". To say that I found the results less than satisfactory would be an understatement in my case, especially the repelling of sand, and the very fine dust, which were my main reasons for trying this product. And I also found the product a royal pain in the arse to apply, and go thru the curing process, etc. I put the product on 3 new AR's WHICH I HAD JUST PURCHASED, and it liked to worked me to death !!!!!! After putting the finishing touches on the third AR, I said to myself "NEVERMORE" !!!!!! I WILL NOT BE USING THE BALANCE OF THIS PRODUCT EVER AGAIN !!!!!! But again, I'm sincerely happy for you, and the results you've achieved. Thanks for the response. Bang-Flop |
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In government procurement, it's standard practice to write the specs so the procurement of a particular product, or service goes to the company, that the procurement office wants the contract to be awarded to. This practice goes on all the time, whenever their doors are open. Bang-Flop |
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I've been using Militec-1 on my work and personal firearms for the last 15 years and have no complaints. I have used it on everything from single action revolvers to mp5s/m16s without any hiccups. It works, plain and simple. With your selection of weapons, I'm glad the results have been positive results for you, and for such a long time period of time too. My initial purpose in trying this product was in repelling the very find sand and dust that resembles talcum powder, or cornstarch. This part of the country is desert, and in many cases not all that different from "the sandbox". To say that I found the results less than satisfactory would be an understatement in my case, especially the repelling of sand, and the very fine dust, which were my main reasons for trying this product. And I also found the product a royal pain in the arse to apply, and go thru the curing process, etc. I put the product on 3 new AR's WHICH I HAD JUST PURCHASED, and it liked to worked me to death !!!!!! After putting the finishing touches on the third AR, I said to myself "NEVERMORE" !!!!!! I WILL NOT BE USING THE BALANCE OF THIS PRODUCT EVER AGAIN !!!!!! But again, I'm sincerely happy for you, and the results you've achieved. Thanks for the response. Bang-Flop try Slip 2000 EWL, I have found that it does the best at not attracting dust and sand |
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This is a very passionate topic with a lot of silliness. I have been using Militec for years in some sandy environments as well as others and I like it. Works well and definately doesn't attract dirt as much as other lubes.
However, lubrication is what is important and if you keep the dirt/carbon liquid, it will still function. Lubricate your weapon with something. WHAT you use isn't really all that critical. Some do work better and last longer than others when applied to you weapon. However, if you are in a training course you should be re-applying whatever oil you are using 2-3 times per day. Keeping your weapon lubricated will help make it easier to clean later when you are done shooting too. Any oil designed for weapons will work. WHAT you pick is mainly up to you. Don't get wrapped up in the emotional BS that accompanies people who don't like the oil that YOU choose. |
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Found out the hard way that it does not protect from rust when I lost a very rare and hard to find recoil spring. WD40 is a better rust preventative, and that ain't saying much. WD40 is a better lube too. also, the stuff made anything it touched smell like ass for about a week. |
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It's a decent lube and that is all.
They claim it prevents rust 2 or 3 times better than CLP. It's been proven that it's not even close. They claim it prevents carbon fouling from building up. Yeah, right. There is just as much as with anything else. Along with that they claim that you can use just it after the first treatment and no longer need any solvent or CLP type product. Again I call BS. It was no easier to clean any weapon than with CLP. They claim that they don't have any chlorine, yet it's first rejection from the US military was from the Marines in the 80's when it was being hawked as an engine oil additve, because it contained chlorine. It only does well on the spinning rod test because chlorine is a very, very good extreme pressure additive. Unfortunately it can promote rust, hence it not being used in oils for cars. Zinc used much more often in oil, and oil additives since it doesn't cause rust. Personally tested (and yes, I've done the heating with a heat gun crap, and let it heat up from just firing... which is the primary method. The heat gun is supposed to just be a secondary option when immediate firing isn't an option.) on HK USP .45, M9, M16A2, M16A4, M4, M249, M240B, M60, Bushmaster AR, Ruger GP100, Mossberg 500, Astra A100 .45, and a few others I've since forgotten. And had rust. And had to use a solvent to clean because there was just as much buildup, and it was just as hard to remove as the weapons using CLP and Tetra to lube. |
Circus carny's, vacuum cleaner door to door salesmen and other con artists are alive and doing fine. Mix something up in the bathtub, bottle it and make a fancy website. Then hit the road and the gun shows. What product to sell to the unwashed masses? Why, gun oils and lubes of course, as that is the one product that most all gun owners use, and none of them can agree on what works the best. After all, most modern firearms can run just fine on cooking oil, fromunda butter, motor oil, or no oil at all, so what you mix up and sell doesn't actually have to be all that great, so long as the packaging is slick, and the bullshit even slicker! Just sayin'.
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I've been using Militec-1 on my work and personal firearms for the last 15 years and have no complaints. I have used it on everything from single action revolvers to mp5s/m16s without any hiccups. It works, plain and simple. With your selection of weapons, I'm glad the results have been positive results for you, and for such a long time period of time too. My initial purpose in trying this product was in repelling the very find sand and dust that resembles talcum powder, or cornstarch. This part of the country is desert, and in many cases not all that different from "the sandbox". To say that I found the results less than satisfactory would be an understatement in my case, especially the repelling of sand, and the very fine dust, which were my main reasons for trying this product. And I also found the product a royal pain in the arse to apply, and go thru the curing process, etc. I put the product on 3 new AR's WHICH I HAD JUST PURCHASED, and it liked to worked me to death !!!!!! After putting the finishing touches on the third AR, I said to myself "NEVERMORE" !!!!!! I WILL NOT BE USING THE BALANCE OF THIS PRODUCT EVER AGAIN !!!!!! But again, I'm sincerely happy for you, and the results you've achieved. Thanks for the response. Bang-Flop try Slip 2000 EWL, I have found that it does the best at not attracting dust and sand I come from an advertising / marketing background, and I try to research pretty heavily whatever I buy from microwave ovens to gun lube, so I've learned to cut thru most of the BS, and go with the hard numbers from consumers who have used, or are now using the particular product I'm interested in. i,e, if a product has more significant positive reviews, than negative reviews, then it bears a closer look as far as I'm concerned. Again this has to be from actual users, not "something my BIL's uncle" heard at the local gun shop, or whatever. After my disappointment with the Militech in repelling sand and dust, I got on the hunt again, did some research on Slip 2000 EWL, and seemed like it got more positive than negative results, so I decided to try some.I should interject here that my only complaints with good old CLP, is mainly it acted like a sand and dust magnet out here in the desert, and I never did like the way CLP didn't seem to cling to the FCG. I run my AR's very, very wet, so it ended up being a vicious circle with CLP (more CLP = more sand and dust, etc). So I got the Slip 2000, and went into the field for the first time yesterday. Now I realize one trip is far, far from a scientific study. I will say based on this one trip that the Slip 2000 appeared to repel the sand and dust better than anything I've used to date. Now will it hold up, and do its job in all areas in the long term is a totally different matter that only time will tell. As wet as I run my AR's I don't think the lube will be a problem, which leaves rust, and the repelling of the dust and sand. Again only time will tell. But for now, I plan on sticking with the Slip 2000 till I can see my own results re: lube, rust prevention, and the repelling of dust and sand over time. I guess with the popularity of AR's in general, I think that's what is mainly responsible for the tremendous surge in the overall popularity of firearms along with the attitude of the idiots in DC, I just have to laugh everytime I go into a big box firearms store. The firearms market is very quickly turning into what the big box fishing stores have turned into. Where the fishermen have thousands of lures to choose from, it only takes one to catch a fish. Anyway, that's the way I see the firearms market in general heading. The fishermen with their thousands of lures, and the firearm owners having a few hundred types of lubes to select from. 
Who knows. Maybe in the not to distant future we may have a big box chain of firearm stores called "AR PRO SHOP". 
Thanks to all that replied. I appreciate it !!!!! Bang-Flop |
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SLIP 2000 meets the military spec for CLP. As do several other products. Military CLP is a performance specification, not a product. Militec-1 doesn't even come close to meeting this specification.
Many big gun shows have military issue CLP in pint bottles. You can use olive oil (extra virgin not required) if your only use of the rifle is going to the range. Recommend you use milspec lubrication if you anticipate using the rifle as a weapon. –– Chuck |
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SLIP 2000 meets the military spec for CLP. As do several other products. Military CLP is a performance specification, not a product. Militec-1 doesn't even come close to meeting this specification. Many big gun shows have military issue CLP in pint bottles. You can use olive oil (extra virgin not required) if your only use of the rifle is going to the range. Recommend you use milspec lubrication if you anticipate using the rifle as a weapon. –– Chuck Of course Miltec doesn't meet CLP requirements... it's not a cleaner and doesn't advertise to be one! And just because something is "mil-spec" doesn't mean it's the best out there, it only means it meets milspec Miltec is a decent lube. I was given a big bottle of it and have been using it for quite awhile with no failures, though I run it wet like any other oil..... and it performs like any other oil. Will I buy another bottle of it? Probably not Also, chloride is not the same thing as chlorine! No more than water (h2o2) and hydrogen peroxide (h202) are the same thing! |
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This is a very passionate topic with a lot of silliness. I have been using Militec for years in some sandy environments as well as others and I like it. Works well and definately doesn't attract dirt as much as other lubes. However, lubrication is what is important and if you keep the dirt/carbon liquid, it will still function. Lubricate your weapon with something. WHAT you use isn't really all that critical. Some do work better and last longer than others when applied to you weapon. However, if you are in a training course you should be re-applying whatever oil you are using 2-3 times per day. Keeping your weapon lubricated will help make it easier to clean later when you are done shooting too. Any oil designed for weapons will work. WHAT you pick is mainly up to you. Don't get wrapped up in the emotional BS that accompanies people who don't like the oil that YOU choose. Agreed, all of it... A.W.D. |
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SLIP 2000 meets the military spec for CLP. As do several other products. Military CLP is a performance specification, not a product. Militec-1 doesn't even come close to meeting this specification. Many big gun shows have military issue CLP in pint bottles. You can use olive oil (extra virgin not required) if your only use of the rifle is going to the range. Recommend you use milspec lubrication if you anticipate using the rifle as a weapon. –– Chuck Of course Miltec doesn't meet CLP requirements... it's not a cleaner and doesn't advertise to be one! And just because something is "mil-spec" doesn't mean it's the best out there, it only means it meets milspec Miltec is a decent lube. I was given a big bottle of it and have been using it for quite awhile with no failures, though I run it wet like any other oil..... and it performs like any other oil. Will I buy another bottle of it? Probably not Also, chloride is not the same thing as chlorine! No more than water (h2o2) and hydrogen peroxide (h202) are the same thing! Doesn't claim to be a cleaner? Well maybe not exactly but they do claim this, When cleaning, only 5 to 6 drops of MILITEC-1 are required for small caliber weapons. Once treated, MILITEC-1 is the only product required for the maintenance and operation of weapons. They don't have the claim on their website that once you use Militec-1 you no longer need a solvent or CLP type product for cleaning. They still have the claim of 3 times the rust protection of CLP though. No, chloride is not the same as chlorine. However, read why the Marines rejected it as an engine oil additive a few decades ago... it contained chlorine. What causes the formation of hydrogen chloride when it gets too hot? Also water is H2O. I've seen their pamphlets and tried their product since it was first being hawked as both an engine oil additive and gun lube in the DC area in the late 90s. It's a decent lube with very good EP properties. That's about it. As for it's EP properties, I'd rather get a bottle of engine assembly lube which is just a thick oil with a lot of zinc in it as an EP. Or hell, even STP. |
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No, chloride is not the same as chlorine. However, read why the Marines rejected it as an engine oil additive a few decades ago... it contained chlorine. What causes the formation of hydrogen chloride when it gets too hot? Also water is H2O. My point is that it doesn't contain chlorine, and to the best of my knowledge it never has.... It contains a chloride of some sort. That is where your Cl is coming from when it breaks down to HCl. Thanks for pointing out my typo ... I got a good chuckle out of that And please note, I am by no means praising or supporting the product. It's just not as bad as a lot of the interwebz make it out to be! But like you said, it's a decent lube... Nothing more and you can do better |
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Unless they've changed their formula since they were rejected by by the Marines, or whomever tested it for the Marines was wrong it does contain chlorine.
This is from a report a few years ago about how it's been tested and failed 11 times, This was I think in 1988 Furthermore, DOD has had a standing prohibition against the use of lubricant additives containing chlorine since late 1950s—prior to the Navy and Marine Corps test and evaluations. MILITEC-1 contains chlorine. DOD and Navy officials could not explain why the Navy and Marine Corps conducted these tests and evaluations, given that MILITEC-1 has always contained chlorine.
Then in 1992, In addition, in June 1992 the Naval Sea Systems Command issued a Fleet Advisory to “stop adding MILITEC-1 to all lubricating oils” and to “dispose of any unused stock of MILITEC-1” in part because the product contains chlorine and the Navy’s policy to ban the use of lubricant additives that contain chlorine .
Then again, Nevertheless, in July 1994, the Naval Research Lab tested and evaluated MILITEC-1 for possible use as a lubricant additive on shipboard machinery. This test and evaluation found that MILITEC-1 contained chlorine and when combined with machinery manufacturer’s oils would result in damage to bearings and other machine components. DOD officials stated that this was corrosion-related damage. DOD officials told us they do not know why the Navy conducted this test and evaluation, given the aforementioned prohibition against lubricants containing chorine.
This is all from this letter, http://www.gao.gov/assets/100/96233.pdf And I had to let my inner grammer nazi poke his head out... he gets lonely... 
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Unless they've changed their formula since they were rejected by by the Marines, or whomever tested it for the Marines was wrong it does contain chlorine. This is from a report a few years ago about how it's been tested and failed 11 times, This was I think in 1988 Furthermore, DOD has had a standing prohibition against the use of lubricant additives containing chlorine since late 1950s—prior to the Navy and Marine Corps test and evaluations. MILITEC-1 contains chlorine. DOD and Navy officials could not explain why the Navy and Marine Corps conducted these tests and evaluations, given that MILITEC-1 has always contained chlorine.
Then in 1992, In addition, in June 1992 the Naval Sea Systems Command issued a Fleet Advisory to “stop adding MILITEC-1 to all lubricating oils” and to “dispose of any unused stock of MILITEC-1” in part because the product contains chlorine and the Navy’s policy to ban the use of lubricant additives that contain chlorine .
Then again, Nevertheless, in July 1994, the Naval Research Lab tested and evaluated MILITEC-1 for possible use as a lubricant additive on shipboard machinery. This test and evaluation found that MILITEC-1 contained chlorine and when combined with machinery manufacturer’s oils would result in damage to bearings and other machine components. DOD officials stated that this was corrosion-related damage. DOD officials told us they do not know why the Navy conducted this test and evaluation, given the aforementioned prohibition against lubricants containing chorine.
This is all from this letter, http://www.gao.gov/assets/100/96233.pdf And I had to let my inner grammer nazi poke his head out... he gets lonely... I do apologize then, it does appear to contain chlorine. I have looked and looked and never found a list of active ingredients, even on the MSDS And I do have to point out that your "grammer" nazi is in risk of being thrown into De Fuhrer's spelling encampment! |
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He's a drunken one he is!
I used to use this stuff. Until my USP started rusting in the bore from condensation. Then personal testing showed it didn't do jack for preventing fouling from building up as much like they claimed, nor did it make cleaning any easier at all. For an equivalent price, I'd rather just use Tetra, SLIP 2000 EWL, Mpro-7 LPX, Mobil 1, or even Break Free CLP and LP. For rust prevention in storage, Hoppes #9 just about anything is better, and for extremely long term, Hoppes #9 or baby oil would be a much better choice as would Vaseline (petroleum jelly/white petrolatum) if I couldn't find RIG. |
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