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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:28:18 PM EDT
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Looking to buy a mini acog for my first rifle ( bcm 16 middy)
My unit mostly has the acog rRCO and it's great-but I think I want a one, two or three power one seeing as the furthest I plan on shooting is 300 and will likely be doing close in work more often. I've used red dots and want to try and go a different route. I'm trying to figure out if the 1.5x16 or the 2x would be best. I like either the circle or crosshairs ( either is fine-but I want it in green) Which would be best? Would I need an offset rds? How much slower would the 3x be? I know I should try before buying but that's eaiser said than done right now Thanks Apologies for the typos...mobile posting sucks ass |
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I've had or had the following ACOG's 1.5x circle dot (amber- short tube), 1.5x triangle (yellow), 1.5 cross hair (yellow), 3x chevron (red), 3x horseshoe (green), 3.5x chevron (red), 3.5x horseshoe (red), 4x LAW reticle (red), 4x chevron (green), 4x crosshair (amber- TA01). Might be more but that's all I can remember....
I've also had or had 5 Aimpoint T1's (both 2 and 4 MOA), 3 Aimpoint Pro's, 1 Aimpoint M4s Eotech EXPS 2-0 and a couple of the older EoTech's Trijicon RMR amber dot A couple Trijicon reflex sights Leupold Deltapoint Other regular rifle scopes As such I may be somewhat qualified to comment on your question. I am currently running the ACOG 1.5x amber crosshairs on my patrol rifle. I like the clear glass, incredible eye relief, both eyes open shooting, with the traditional cross hair style reticle I have been using since I was young. You can use it in close (takes only a little training to adjust to the 1.5 power) with both eyes open yet still make easy hits out to 200 yards from 16" AR. If you go to the 3X (like the TA33) you may have trouble using it in very close. I did have some success with the 3X using a Butler Creek flip down cover on the front lens that I could leave closed. With the front closed you could leave both eyes open and your brain could make it seem like the optic was open and superimpose the horseshoe and dot on the target like a traditional red dot. I do prefer the green reticle myself, but it is very hard to find the green cross hair models (although I do see one in the 2x flavor in the EE that I have been eyeing as the price comes down). If you want to do the 1-4 thing you will be using a lot of real estate on the top of your gun, along with weight. The 1.5x ACOG on a Larue mount is really an excellent option in my opinion. Just wouldn't plan on using it with a fixed front sight though. With flip up sights it is fine, but the fixed front sight is noticeable in the scope. |
| Regardless of other features remember to mate it with your rifle. Some models are designed to be used on flattops, others on carry handles. If you get the wrong one then the distance markings will always be off. Example: TAO1NSN was designed for a 14.5 inch flattop using 62 grain ammo. |
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Optics planet has some low prices on the 1.5x 24 and 2x cross hair models. Under $750 without any coupons. 1.5x16 are close to a thousand.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/trijicon-ta47-acog-15x24-compact-sight-tritium-reticle-bac.html Might have to pick up another one..... |
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I'm leaning towards a 1.5x16 green circle acog. Anybody have more personal experience with it? I have one on my primary carbine. I absolutely love it. I use it for everything including 3-gun. It's not the "best" at any single thing, other than the fact that it's the best overall optic I own for practical use. If you want to bang 4" steel plates at 600 meters it's the wrong optic for you. If you want something simple, with no batteries that will let you engage man-sized targets from contact distance out to 500 meters? Than this is perfect. At contact distance to... say 5 meters or so it's not as fast as a red-dot. In those case, I just turn 45° and use the barrel like a shotgun rib and shoot without sights. Works just fine for me and it's plenty fast. Also, the 1.5X really helps those people who's eyes aren't 19 years old anymore as it allows the image to really "pop". |
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After comparing the 1.5x16 and 1.5x24 the 16 has a green reticle, more fov and is a bit lighter/shorter.
Based on that I think it's best for me. Anybody know why they aren't more popular? I've been searching for pics and videos, reviews, ect and can find very little. Thanks |
| as Stretch commented... they work well for old guys, and especially old guys with astigmatism...I've had my 1.5x16 amber triangle for a little over 10 years... now on my back up light weight carbine....31F on my 3 gun rifle.. some of their previous advantage was lost when the long run dot scopes became available.... I particularly like the ability to identify targets..... if I had to do it again, would probably go for the 2x to help 66 year old eyes a little better |
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This damn thread forced me to buy another 1.5x24. Found one with the amber cross hair and a gerber multi tool kit on optics planet
Price was $730 ish and they had a $60 coupon I you spend over $500 (they also have $130 of over $1000) plus free shipping. Ended up costing around $670 shipped. Couldn't pass it up. |
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This damn thread forced me to buy another 1.5x24. Found one with the amber cross hair and a gerber multi tool kit on optics planet Price was $730 ish and they had a $60 coupon I you spend over $500 (they also have $130 of over $1000) plus free shipping. Ended up costing around $670 shipped. Couldn't pass it up. Link to coupons? |
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Tried to link but couldn't get it.
They are banners on the web page that change when you switch pages. You just have to click until you see the code that works for the amount you spend. 15E9755 $60 off $500 0F4E51A $130 off $1000 As far as 1.5 vs 2x I've only used 1.5. Seems to work for me. Your mileage may vary. Hard to compare them side by side in local shops as they aren't very popular |
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After comparing the 1.5x16 and 1.5x24 the 16 has a green reticle, more fov and is a bit lighter/shorter. Based on that I think it's best for me. Anybody know why they aren't more popular? I've been searching for pics and videos, reviews, ect and can find very little. Thanks Only think I can think of is that it's not whiz-bang "tactical" enough. I don't know of any bearded-wonder-unit that issues them so their not really on the radar. |
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Anybody know why these aren't more popular? Are the 1.5x's usable at <25m like a red dot? Thanks I think it's completely usable. Not quite as fast as a red-dot unless you practice a lot under 25m. Like I said in a previous post, from contact distance to 5-7 meters I just tilt 45° and use my barrel like a shotgun rib. At that range it's super fast and more than accurate enough for center-mass shots. Try it sometime on a standard IDPA or IPSC type paper target and I think you'd be surprised at how accurate and fast it is. |
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I like ta33's
I have the green horseshor on my 556 predatar, sighted in today..its pretty damn fast. I have the r-12 red crosshair ony 308 predatar, not as fast, but allows the ability to truly harness a battle rifles capabilites imo. If your clearing rooms the 3x maybe too much, but for 10 yards to 300 its an awesone optic. |
| As far as popularity...I think most people prefer an RDS and do not think a 1.5X or even 2X is worth it. I love ACOGs and used a 2X on my A2 carry handle for years. I think the mini ACOGs are perfect for an A2. One issue is that even brand new, the illumination on the ACOGs are dim at best in low light and will not work like a traditional RDS. Also, the reticle will wash out if you are shooting from dark toward a lighter background, ie. shooting from indoors to outdoors. If you have good eyes with no astygmatism, you may be better of with an Aimpoint. If you have older eyes and dont have to have the low light benefits of an RDS, the mini ACOG will work great. I prefer the 3X TA33 as it offers the most in the smallest package. |
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