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3/18/2008 12:59:44 PM EDT
First off... is there a diffence in a muzzlebreak or a comp? or is it just different names?

I'm in the market to put a muzzle break/comp to reduce the recoil on my Colt MT6601 20" HBAR... Any recommendations on to brand/style? I dont care about the loudness, looks, color finish or price (well, maybe a little on looks). I just want one that is of good guality and will serve its purpose to the fullest.... I'll take any comments (pros, cons) or recommendations. NO JP PRODUCTS
3/18/2008 3:45:20 PM EDT
[#1]
FSC556 by PWS

http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/catalog/FSC556_L_1.jpg

Some one please correct me if Im wrong, but my understanding is that a muzzle break reduces felt recoil, while a compensator reduces muzzle rise.
3/18/2008 4:54:45 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
FSC556 by PWS

primaryweapons.com/store/pc/catalog/FSC556_L_1.jpg

Some one please correct me if Im wrong, but my understanding is that a muzzle break reduces felt recoil, while a compensator reduces muzzle rise.


I assume if a comp is for muzzle rise then that might not be what I need (that would be for quick target aquisition... JUST A WILD GUESS). What I want is to be more accurate... I hear the less recoil the more accurate the shot... with that in mind what would it be a comp or break?
3/18/2008 5:13:29 PM EDT
[#3]
The less recoil a rifle has, the smaller chance you have of flinching before the next shot.  Reducing recoil doesn't (to my understanding) make a rifle anymore mechanically accurate that it already is.  Have you tried installing a match trigger instead?  A lot less chance of you moving the gun while pulling the trigger, which in turn would make you more accurate.
3/18/2008 6:04:37 PM EDT
[#4]
They are used to allow faster recovery for quicker comtrolled fire.  It won't make the rifle more accurate, per se.
3/18/2008 6:41:55 PM EDT
[#5]
I have to say that I am wicked happy with my YHM aggressive comp.  In reviewing videos of my shooting, the muzzle basically doesn't move at all.  It's awesome.


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc282/shruggerxd/Zombie%20Killer/137.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc282/shruggerxd/Zombie%20Killer/126.jpg

3/18/2008 6:53:34 PM EDT
[#6]
Yeah, and you could poke someones eye one with that one too!
3/18/2008 7:12:12 PM EDT
[#7]
The JP Tank Brake is the most effective brake/comp i know of.
3/18/2008 7:52:15 PM EDT
[#8]
I read a very good review of the Flatland Forge A2 comp somewhere...

That said, I agree with the "get a better trigger" advice if you're mainly concerned with accuracy.
3/18/2008 10:17:10 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I read a very good review of the Flatland Forge A2 comp somewhere...

That said, I agree with the "get a better trigger" advice if you're mainly concerned with accuracy.


I do have a somewhat better trigger. I bought a new Colt lower to go with my MT6601 20" HBAR upper. I dont know the lowers model # but here is what the invoice reads:

LE W/ INTERNALS... COLT L/E ONLY RECEIVER W/ INTERNALS
"COLT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT CARBINE"
1 499.00 499.00T
SA06005 HAMMER, LOW MASS (0.170) 1 52.50 52.50T
64224 HAMMER SPRING, LIGHT (SPK94774) BLUE 1 8.00 8.00T

I will not be doing any rapid firing, I will take my time in between shots. I will be mostly at a bench, rarely standing. I will be shooting 50-200 yards. I will only be using the A2 sights. Noise will not be an issue where I shoot. I still firmly believe that the less my rifle moves after/while pulling the trigger, the better results I will see.

I have seached for some and hoping you guys can help me choose or recommend another one. All based on the above info. Thanks!!

1. Rainer Arms..  DNTC Comp - Aggressive
   http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=666

2. Rainer Arms.. PRI MSTN QC Brake .223
   http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=663

3. Holland QD brake
   http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=6905&title=QUICK%20DISCHARGE%20BRAKE

4. FSC556 by PWS
   I can't even find this one (from top of this thread)

5. Flatland Forge F2 Comp
   Can't find this one either, but hear good things.

6. CMMG Miculek Brake
   http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/largerimage.php?prod_id=43



3/19/2008 3:49:14 AM EDT
[#10]

The JP Tank Brake is the most effective brake/comp i know of.


x2, well not tank, but the bennie coolie from JP Enterprises, on my 308. I wouldnt mind getting on the 223 pred pursuit.



3/19/2008 5:19:31 AM EDT
[#11]
MSB392,
          This is the best compensator available today.  I know, cause I designed it.



Here is the 308 version.  (Ignore the machine marks, this was a pic of the original prototype.  The production version has no marks.)



Here is some video of the comp in action.  Notice how flat it is in relation to the horizon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOjqwd6Ea-Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5E5ovU6j4g

You can purchase them at SJCguns.com, under the AR section.

USSA-1
3/19/2008 3:31:09 PM EDT
[#12]
Erik, didn't that finish well in the comparision done in the frontsite mag?
3/20/2008 6:14:28 AM EDT
[#13]
Yep, it tied for first in rearward recoil reduction.  It finished lower in downforce, but that is a misleading indicator.  You only need enough downforce to keep the muzzle flat, anymore and your overcompensating the front end.

USSA-1

3/20/2008 6:43:29 AM EDT
[#14]
The 9mm buffer was the BEST thing to help my AR15

I Have a LMT M4 14.5 with PHANTOM closed Bottom Flash Hider

SOME SAY THEY ACT LIKE A COMP/BRAKE I myself dont care.

The Shooting off my RANGE BAG the BARREL DOESNT JUMP UP like it use to!
Makes for very Fast Follow up shots!

I have a Back Up LMT M4 14.5 + phantom 4slot and a H buffer
You can tell the Difference

MIGHT Try a ENDINE for a RIFLE
3/20/2008 6:45:04 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I read a very good review of the Flatland Forge A2 comp somewhere...

That said, I agree with the "get a better trigger" advice if you're mainly concerned with accuracy.


I do have a somewhat better trigger. I bought a new Colt lower to go with my MT6601 20" HBAR upper. I dont know the lowers model # but here is what the invoice reads:

LE W/ INTERNALS... COLT L/E ONLY RECEIVER W/ INTERNALS
"COLT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT CARBINE"
1 499.00 499.00T
SA06005 HAMMER, LOW MASS (0.170) 1 52.50 52.50T
64224 HAMMER SPRING, LIGHT (SPK94774) BLUE 1 8.00 8.00T

I will not be doing any rapid firing, I will take my time in between shots. I will be mostly at a bench, rarely standing. I will be shooting 50-200 yards. I will only be using the A2 sights. Noise will not be an issue where I shoot. I still firmly believe that the less my rifle moves after/while pulling the trigger, the better results I will see.

I have seached for some and hoping you guys can help me choose or recommend another one. All based on the above info. Thanks!!

1. Rainer Arms..  DNTC Comp - Aggressive
   http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=666

2. Rainer Arms.. PRI MSTN QC Brake .223
   http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=663

3. Holland QD brake
   http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=6905&title=QUICK%20DISCHARGE%20BRAKE

4. FSC556 by PWS
   I can't even find this one (from top of this thread)

5. Flatland Forge F2 Comp
   Can't find this one either, but hear good things.

6. CMMG Miculek Brake
   http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/largerimage.php?prod_id=43






If I had to have one it would be # 6  
Then #2
3/20/2008 2:53:08 PM EDT
[#16]
I like how the QC compensates for the 2:00 direction toward which the muzzle normally jumps.  I think Flatland also does that, but would likely be much louder...then again you said that doesn't matter where you shoot.  If I had your parameters, I wouldn't buy before seriously checking out the FF.  Also maybe poke around at Brian Enos' three gun forum.

I would be interested to know if your hypothesis is true: that recoil reduction will assist in accuracy.
3/20/2008 3:10:49 PM EDT
[#17]
I went with the Jerry Miculek.

I was about to upgrade when I read the USPSA "Front sight" article on brakes.

Now,  I'm going to keep running it.

3/20/2008 3:49:43 PM EDT
[#18]
I was thinking about this same topic and was about to buy the Noeske KX3 flash suppressor.  How does this one compare to the rest on the list?
3/21/2008 5:28:42 AM EDT
[#19]
The Noveske really won't do much.  It was designed to reduce the concussion of the muzzle blast from short barrels by directing the blast downrange.

I would look at other designs if you want some comp/break action.

USSA-1
3/21/2008 8:38:58 AM EDT
[#20]
Has anyone shot the QC vs. FC556 under controlled comparison: back-to-back, similar guns?

Based on availability, price, and function, I think that would be good info to know.  I would expect the FC to do better controlling flash, and the QC better for countering the 2:00 upward muzzle jump and maybe a little quieter
3/22/2008 5:12:08 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
I like how the QC compensates for the 2:00 direction toward which the muzzle normally jumps.  I think Flatland also does that, but would likely be much louder...then again you said that doesn't matter where you shoot.  If I had your parameters, I wouldn't buy before seriously checking out the FF.  Also maybe poke around at Brian Enos' three gun forum.

I would be interested to know if your hypothesis is true: that recoil reduction will assist in accuracy.


I saw this on the Bushmaster FAQ section:

Does the AK muzzle brake affect accuracy?

In our experience, the most accurate muzzle is the post-ban crowned muzzle. Many competition and target shooters we have talked with confirm this. As the bullet leaves the muzzle, you want - for greatest accuracy - to have no alteration of, or influence on, the bullet's flight. With an 11 degree competition crown, the gases behind the bullet flow out in an even pattern of dispersal at the instant that bullet exits the barrel. This affords the least chance of disrupting that bullet path.



Thats what I felt...You line up your scope... You can be as still as you want, holding the gun as tight as possible, get your breathing right...But when you pull that trigger the riffle is going to jump..Which IMO will throw the bullet off the intended path a bit.
3/22/2008 5:42:16 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I read a very good review of the Flatland Forge A2 comp somewhere...

That said, I agree with the "get a better trigger" advice if you're mainly concerned with accuracy.




4. FSC556 by PWS
   I can't even find this one (from top of this thread)





Denny's Guns, link at the top of the page has it.  And you can always search the EE

http://global-tactical.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=234

Product Details FSC556 Product Details This FSC556 Tactical Compensator has all of the compensation of the standard DNTC compensator combined with enough flash suppression to keep the flash out of your optics and line of sight. This device has been classified as a non-flash suppressing device by the BATFE This device was also designed to accommodate suppressors such as the Gemtech HALO and therefore comes with a peel washer. This unit is 2.10" in length, .865" (22mm) in diameter and is threaded 1/2x28 RH. SKU: AR-FSC556 Weight: 0 lbs 2 ozs A flash suppressing version of the DNTC compensator.
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