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Posted: 3/2/2006 9:04:38 PM EDT
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Bought a parts kit from a dealer here that says DPMS makes the LPK for this particular company... Well all I can say is that it is total crap. Trigger pins were out of spec, they wouldn't even fit in the trigger pin holes (lucky for me I had some RRA pins) the hammer and trigger suck and the take down pins are way to tight... Point is... stick with Stag LPKs or RRA LPKs... |
+1. I've had several LPKs misrepresented to me, but usually not here! Every genuine DPMS LPK I've gotten has been 100%. Tom 
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So, you just posted here that DPMS LPKs are "total crap" based on what your anonymous dealer said, without even calling DPMS to verify that the LPKs were, in fact from them? Here is the DPMS phone number: (800) 578-3767. After you call them get back to us here & give us the straight scoop. In the future, bring your ethics & common sense with you when you post. 
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Are you sure you don't have pins for a large hole Colt? |
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DPMS hammer & trigger pins are to spec. They are the same pins that we use in our rifles and the same pins that we sell as replacement parts to our customers. If the kit was not in a plastic case that said "DPMS Lower Parts Kit" it could be anyones guess on who made the parts. No matter what the dealer says. |
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Not to steal any thunder from the DPMS folks...there are some real clowns that package stuff in a bag, put a phony label that says "DPMS LPK" and sell it as such. The key here is always, but always buy from a dealer you know and trust. No problems here with DPMS stuff etither. |
well I was told it was DPMS. I would probably hesitate to buy anything DPMS in the future. Please don't take offense.. I was a little pissed that the brand new lower I bought got dinged up when trying to fit those pins into the lower. |
The dealer said DPMS made the parts kit for them [the dealer] exclusivley. Now if DPMS doesn't do this for said dealer then I will retract my statement otherwise I will stand by my statement regarding DPMS LPKs. |
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I've bought numerous LRPK directly from DPMS at different times. They all came in clear plastic containers approx. 12" x 4" in size. And had DPMS marked paperwork inside. Every one of them fit to specs in the various recievers I've installed them in. I would say if yours did not come in a package like that, it was not DPMS. I've bought other LRPK's from other manufacturers. Most usually come in a small plastic bag. |
So how about the kits from Midway USA and Brownells? No plastic case. Are they not DPMS parts? www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=877204 www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5606&title=AR-15+PARTS+KITS .... |
How are they supposed to show all the parts if they are enclosed in the packaging??? eta I've used DPMS lpks in 5 builds, all worked perfectly. |
I have ordered both and they do not come in a plastic DPMS marked case. I actually like their lower kits. I believe they are the best deal for the money and work fine. |
I bought a DPMS LPK from Brownells and it worked fine if not better than the RRA LPK I have in the other build. The DPMS hammer doesn't have the notch but the bolt carrier functions just fine. Trigger pins were in spec, the hammer/trigger work fine, and the take down pins were in spec as well. If anything, the easiest/smoothest part of my recent M4 build had to be buying the DPMS LPK from Brownells. In the past, the DPMS replacement parts I have bought from Brownells/Midway have generally been very good if not the same as the other parts (RRA, Bushmaster, Stag/CMT). DPMS uses aluminum trigger guards. The RRA Hammer w/ the notch has shown some wear at the notch. The DPMS hammer appears to allow for smoother operation. +1 for DPMS LPK and RRA LPK (get both!). I'll continue to buy DPMS LPKs as long as they keep the current price. Once they start to match up with Stag/RRA/Bushmaster, I may just find one that's priced lower. |
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Well sounds like EVERYONE responding here has had no problem with their DPMS lower parts kit except for yours that your dealer states came from DPMS. Who you gonna trust? A dozen or so real-world experiences, or someone who's trying to make a buck off of you? Don't believe EVERYTHING all dealers tell you. There are those that are honest and know their sh!t... and others that can't tell their a$$ from a hole in the ground. |
+1 I got my DPMS LPK from Brownells and it came in a DPMS plastic clamshell case, sort of like when buying a cleaning kit from Walmart. The clamshell splits the pistol grip, hammer, trigger, and then has all the other parts in one little bag. My guess is that this was done to avoid damaging the sear surfaces. There is a DPMS insert that shows all the different parts in the LPK that comes with the clamshell case as well. Some reputable dealers may just dump the contents into a bag to save on shipping costs, since you would need a fairly large box or envelope to fit the entire clamshell. The #1 thing to check to see if its DPMS or not is to see if the hammer has a "notch" at the tip or if its completely solid/smooth. AFAIK DPMS's small pin (0.154") hammer is always smooth/solid. Their large pin (Colt) hammers have the notch. |
i picked up three LPK's represented as DPMS kits. all came in bags. the safety selector and pin in one kit were soft and failed before the rifle had ten boxes of shells through it... i question now whether i actually got genuine DPMS parts. regardless, the above is a pretty broad statement. doesn't DPMS sell the LPK components in bulk to dealers? if so, do they include cute boxes as well? not knocking DPMS, but if they make this statement, maybe they should ask the dealers to respect the packaging to avoid misrepresentations. i know it is only an inexpensive LPK, but as a consumer with so many choices, it is very easy to say "to hell with it" and move on to another brand like Bushy, or someone else. there seems to be quite a bit of DPMS bashing on here, but come on... do yourself a favor when you can DPMS! -septic tank |
| Built my first two lowers today using two DPMS lowers and parts kits. Everything went together perfectly, so far I'm very happy with the quality of product. I used this forum and a colt lower that I already owned as a guide. After finishing, I couldn't see any diffence in quality between the colt and the DPMS. |
Ok first problem with your post Title should have been to find out if you had been screwed by the dealer by inquiring about other members/users experiences with DPMS LPKS Not to just come out and slander them entirely. Second, [the dealer] as you put it, is responsible for ensuring that it is infact a DPMS LPK. If not than he sold you bogus goods and this should go to feedback. Im sure DPMS would have no problem looking into this on their part as a Dealer here on the board could be selling a product under their name of questionable origins. Your problem is not with DPMS unless it is a fluke bad run, in which case Im sure they will make things right on their end. If it is because the Dealer Lied than he owes you big for the damage incurred by selling you sub standard parts under false pretenses. He also has some talking to do with DPMS for this one as well as there would be a copyright and trademark infringement. You on the other hand should know by now that you dont just force stuff into your lower because it should work. Common sense goes a long way. Hmm . . . . . Small circular hole . . . . . Large cylindrical pin . . . . . . . Better get the hammer? What were you thinking?? Why are you so anxious to attack and slander DPMS but you wont even list the DEALER's name??? |
I'm very very picky about my guns and thus have found minor "problems" with most every gun I've ever owned. The "problems" that I have had w/my DPMS parts have not affected function in any way and most gun owners probably wouldn't even notice them. None the less, DPMS responded quickly and did everything in their power to make me happy. That's all that ask for. Every manufacturer is going to put out a product with a "problem" or two, what matters is how they take care of you when this happens. For me, DPMS customer service has ranked right up there with the best of them. |
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Seven builds using DPMS (known to be DPMS, not just someone's say so) and absolutely zero problems. Sounds like your beef is with a dealer misrepresenting parts, not DPMS. Buy them from someone reputable like Brownells and I bet you too will have no problems with genuine DPMS parts. Sort of like the Mini-Cooper commercial warning buyers to beware of only getting genuine MC cars, not look-a-likes. Link |
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I've been selling DPMS Kits for about a year now. Personally, I've seen DPMS kits that came in the plastic cases and also in a sealed bag with no markings. The sealed packs was a while back but I have had some come that way directly from DPMS. So if you got some in a plastic sealed bag, it could have been a DPMS. Also, the DPMS clam shell is huge and I personally take mine out of the clam shell and ship it with the card board backing in a priority mail box. I personally like DPMS parts kits but the roll pins are tough to get into certain receivers. (NOT the hammer or trigger pin but the trigger guard roll pin and bolt catch roll pin). Other than that, DPMS makes good LPK. Just my .02 |
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