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Posted: 3/13/2015 8:51:54 AM EDT
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This is my first custom build. I wanted something that was lightweight, accurate, reliable, and able to serve as a close range home defense weapon as well as a long range target shooter. This is what I came up with.
Bushmaster lower Daniel Defense V7 LW upper B5 Bravo mil spec buttstock kit B5 grip 23 Magpul RVG Magpul trigger guard Magpul MS4 sling AR Gold Trigger Fortis RAP QD sling point BCM mod 4 charging handle Streamlight PolyTac flashlight B&T quick detach LW polymer bipod ACOG ECOS Larue LT681 mount All feedback is welcome! 
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What? No laser? Nope, no tacticool laser, had a tough time convincing my self to put a flashlight on it but so many articles about home defense and target recognition plus actually having LE training on clearing rooms and using a light properly convinced me to get one. Quoted:
Nice stick, but you call that lightweight? I just called it lightweight because of the LW barrel, Polymer light, polymer bipod, the use of grips and stock that dont offer any silly storage compartments, using the lightest rail attached qd sling point and the use of an acog. I spent a lot of time researching the weight of all the components before ordering them. For example, bipod is 4oz, the flashlight is 4oz, the QD sling point is .35oz. The goal was to keep the weight down and still be practical, reliable and multipurpose. Anyone can strip a gun down completely and wrap it with carbon fiber to make it light but its not ot exactly practical or multipurpose. |
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Nope, no tacticool laser, had a tough time convincing my self to put a flashlight on it but so many articles about home defense and target recognition plus actually having LE training on clearing rooms and using a light properly convinced me to get one. I just called it lightweight because of the LW barrel, Polymer light, polymer bipod, the use of grips and stock that dont offer any silly storage compartments, using the lightest rail attached qd sling point and the use of an acog. I spent a lot of time researching the weight of all the components before ordering them. For example, bipod is 4oz, the flashlight is 4oz, the QD sling point is .35oz. The goal was to keep the weight down and still be practical, reliable and multipurpose. Anyone can strip a gun down completely and wrap it with carbon fiber to make it light but its not ot exactly practical or multipurpose. Quoted:
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What? No laser? Nope, no tacticool laser, had a tough time convincing my self to put a flashlight on it but so many articles about home defense and target recognition plus actually having LE training on clearing rooms and using a light properly convinced me to get one. Quoted:
Nice stick, but you call that lightweight? I just called it lightweight because of the LW barrel, Polymer light, polymer bipod, the use of grips and stock that dont offer any silly storage compartments, using the lightest rail attached qd sling point and the use of an acog. I spent a lot of time researching the weight of all the components before ordering them. For example, bipod is 4oz, the flashlight is 4oz, the QD sling point is .35oz. The goal was to keep the weight down and still be practical, reliable and multipurpose. Anyone can strip a gun down completely and wrap it with carbon fiber to make it light but its not ot exactly practical or multipurpose. My 16" without all those accessories, running buis only, is still practical, reliable, and multipurpose.... |
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LW gun with bipod Bipod is only 4oz and quick detachable. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_124/540326_NEW_Lightweight_Brugger_andamp__Thomet_rail_accessories.html Quoted:
Shot it yet? The optic looks like it's setting farther back than most are comfortable with. I put a couple 100+ round through it last week without a single failure. The ACOG is there due to the LT681 mount, I dont know if you've ever shot a 4x32 acog but the eye relief is terrible, having is set further back makes it much easier and comfortable to use. Quoted:
fix your ACOG Works great thanks. |
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My 16" without all those accessories, running buis only, is still practical, reliable, and multipurpose.... Quoted:
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What? No laser? Nope, no tacticool laser, had a tough time convincing my self to put a flashlight on it but so many articles about home defense and target recognition plus actually having LE training on clearing rooms and using a light properly convinced me to get one. Quoted:
Nice stick, but you call that lightweight? I just called it lightweight because of the LW barrel, Polymer light, polymer bipod, the use of grips and stock that dont offer any silly storage compartments, using the lightest rail attached qd sling point and the use of an acog. I spent a lot of time researching the weight of all the components before ordering them. For example, bipod is 4oz, the flashlight is 4oz, the QD sling point is .35oz. The goal was to keep the weight down and still be practical, reliable and multipurpose. Anyone can strip a gun down completely and wrap it with carbon fiber to make it light but its not ot exactly practical or multipurpose. My 16" without all those accessories, running buis only, is still practical, reliable, and multipurpose.... I guess your definition of multipurpose is just every AR then? I said multi purpose do to the light and red dot for home defense. The ACOG and bipod for long range shooting. I shot my AR with iron sites since I got it in 2008, you can't compare the long range accuracy of a scope to buis. To me buis are exactly that, a backup, my acog has buis but I would hope I never need them but I will train with them just incase for a back up but I wouldn't rely on them for anytype of distance shooting. |
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Bipod is only 4oz and quick detachable. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_124/540326_NEW_Lightweight_Brugger_andamp__Thomet_rail_accessories.html I put a couple 100+ round through it last week without a single failure. The ACOG is there due to the LT681 mount, I dont know if you've ever shot a 4x32 acog but the eye relief is terrible, having is set further back makes it much easier and comfortable to use. Works great thanks. Quoted:
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LW gun with bipod Bipod is only 4oz and quick detachable. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_124/540326_NEW_Lightweight_Brugger_andamp__Thomet_rail_accessories.html Quoted:
Shot it yet? The optic looks like it's setting farther back than most are comfortable with. I put a couple 100+ round through it last week without a single failure. The ACOG is there due to the LT681 mount, I dont know if you've ever shot a 4x32 acog but the eye relief is terrible, having is set further back makes it much easier and comfortable to use. Quoted:
fix your ACOG Works great thanks. Shoot NTCH and move the ACOG forward. |
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Please dont take offense but your shooting position is bad. This can be the only way that ACOG is anywhere near correct, you can defend it and claim it works great or you can listen to people who are trying to help ya. Sure there comments can be a bit harsh and rude, but really they are trying to help you.
I post what fallows in the hopes that your not a closed door and are willing to listen without taking offense. stand facing your target put your nose just touching or damn near touching the charging handle slide the stock to what ever position allows you to place you nose on the charging handle while facing your target Slide the ACOG forward until you have a good scope picture , while keeping your nose on the charging handle |
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Please dont take offense but your shooting position is bad. This can be the only way that ACOG is anywhere near correct, you can defend it and claim it works great or you can listen to people who are trying to help ya. Sure there comments can be a bit harsh and rude, but really they are trying to help you. I post what fallows in the hopes that your not a closed door and are willing to listen without taking offense. stand facing your target put your nose just touching or damn near touching the charging handle slide the stock to what ever position allows you to place you nose on the charging handle while facing your target Slide the ACOG forward until you have a good scope picture , while keeping your nose on the charging handle Quoted:
Please dont take offense but your shooting position is bad. This can be the only way that ACOG is anywhere near correct, you can defend it and claim it works great or you can listen to people who are trying to help ya. Sure there comments can be a bit harsh and rude, but really they are trying to help you. I post what fallows in the hopes that your not a closed door and are willing to listen without taking offense. stand facing your target put your nose just touching or damn near touching the charging handle slide the stock to what ever position allows you to place you nose on the charging handle while facing your target Slide the ACOG forward until you have a good scope picture , while keeping your nose on the charging handle Its not that I'm a closed door, I am aware that the military trains to shoot nose to charging handle, I've tried it, its extremely uncomfortable to shoot that way. Thats why a D.I needs to drill it into because your body naturally doesnt want to shoot that way. The reason for shooting nose to charging handle is to get a good site picture because of the terrible eye relief on a 4x32. The LT681 mount is specifically made to bring the acog back so you can shoot comfortably with it. Quoted:
Everything others have said aside- that looks like a very awkward place to put your light, as far as activating it. And just how huge is the shadow you get? When grabbing the foregrip it places my thumb right where the tail switch for the light is. I have it there so I can manipulate the light on and off without moving my hand or using a tape switch. The bipod is quick detachable so I only put it on there when going shooting so there isnt much of a shadow and it lights up a dark room very well. |
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Its not that I'm a closed door, I am aware that the military trains to shoot nose to charging handle, I've tried it, its extremely uncomfortable to shoot that way. Thats why a D.I needs to drill it into because your body naturally doesnt want to shoot that way. The reason for shooting nose to charging handle is to get a good site picture because of the terrible eye relief on a 4x32. The LT681 mount is specifically made to bring the acog back so you can shoot comfortably with it. When grabbing the foregrip it places my thumb right where the tail switch for the light is. I have it there so I can manipulate the light on and off without moving my hand or using a tape switch. The bipod is quick detachable so I only put it on there when going shooting so there isnt much of a shadow and it lights up a dark room very well. Quoted:
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Please dont take offense but your shooting position is bad. This can be the only way that ACOG is anywhere near correct, you can defend it and claim it works great or you can listen to people who are trying to help ya. Sure there comments can be a bit harsh and rude, but really they are trying to help you. I post what fallows in the hopes that your not a closed door and are willing to listen without taking offense. stand facing your target put your nose just touching or damn near touching the charging handle slide the stock to what ever position allows you to place you nose on the charging handle while facing your target Slide the ACOG forward until you have a good scope picture , while keeping your nose on the charging handle Its not that I'm a closed door, I am aware that the military trains to shoot nose to charging handle, I've tried it, its extremely uncomfortable to shoot that way. Thats why a D.I needs to drill it into because your body naturally doesnt want to shoot that way. The reason for shooting nose to charging handle is to get a good site picture because of the terrible eye relief on a 4x32. The LT681 mount is specifically made to bring the acog back so you can shoot comfortably with it. Quoted:
Everything others have said aside- that looks like a very awkward place to put your light, as far as activating it. And just how huge is the shadow you get? When grabbing the foregrip it places my thumb right where the tail switch for the light is. I have it there so I can manipulate the light on and off without moving my hand or using a tape switch. The bipod is quick detachable so I only put it on there when going shooting so there isnt much of a shadow and it lights up a dark room very well. Everything you said screams that you need some help, but ill just say ......good for you man , looks like you got this shit all figured out. |
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I'm going to take a contrarian view on the nose to charging handle conventional wisdom. Why should your nose be on the charging handle? What is the substantive benefit of this?
ARs are the only guns where you'll find anyone telling you a proper shooting position is determined by where you put your nose. And all your other body parts should be manipulated so you can get your nose in that certain spot. My research on where nose to charging handle comes from concluded that it's just a shortcut to teach a large group of inexperienced shooters how to get a consistent cheek weld. What you should do, in my opinion, is treat an AR like any other rifle. Figure out your natural length of pull, your natural cheekweld, and set your optic up from there. Use that adjustable stock to set your correct length of pull. Stand up, bend your arm at the elbow to 90 degrees, and measure the distance from the inside of your elbow to the pad of your trigger finger in a firing position. Put this same distance between your trigger and your rifle butt. Here is an excellent description from someone else of a proper cheek weld: "We want the rifle to fit such that when you place your cheek on the stock and relax your neck and head, you are looking through the center of your sighting system. My preference for my cheek placement on the stock is that the bottom of my cheekbone sits on the comb of the stock. Ideally, you should be able to close your eyes, place your cheek comfortably, relax your head like you’re going to sleep on the rifle, then open your eyes and see perfect sight alignment." Note the lack of anything about where your nose goes. Once you've figured out a good length of pull and a good cheek weld for you on your rifle, then adjust your optic on your rail for optimum eye relief. Move the optic (not your head) back and forth until you find the spot where there are no shadows inside the your scope's ring. You should have one, clear round ring on the outside of your scope's view. None of this is done in reference to your charging handle or your nose. Be careful not to move your head up or down since the shadows this causes can trick you into thinking you do not have the correct fore or aft position for your optic. This advice pertains to hunting and target shooting, for the most part. It does not pertain to setting up an SBR to use for clearing a room while wearing body armor (or pretending to do that), for example. All that ranting aside, you probably do have your optic too far back. |
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Its not that I'm a closed door, I am aware that the military trains to shoot nose to charging handle, I've tried it, its extremely uncomfortable to shoot that way. Thats why a D.I needs to drill it into because your body naturally doesnt want to shoot that way. The reason for shooting nose to charging handle is to get a good site picture because of the terrible eye relief on a 4x32. The LT681 mount is specifically made to bring the acog back so you can shoot comfortably with it. When grabbing the foregrip it places my thumb right where the tail switch for the light is. I have it there so I can manipulate the light on and off without moving my hand or using a tape switch. The bipod is quick detachable so I only put it on there when going shooting so there isnt much of a shadow and it lights up a dark room very well. Quoted:
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Please dont take offense but your shooting position is bad. This can be the only way that ACOG is anywhere near correct, you can defend it and claim it works great or you can listen to people who are trying to help ya. Sure there comments can be a bit harsh and rude, but really they are trying to help you. I post what fallows in the hopes that your not a closed door and are willing to listen without taking offense. stand facing your target put your nose just touching or damn near touching the charging handle slide the stock to what ever position allows you to place you nose on the charging handle while facing your target Slide the ACOG forward until you have a good scope picture , while keeping your nose on the charging handle Its not that I'm a closed door, I am aware that the military trains to shoot nose to charging handle, I've tried it, its extremely uncomfortable to shoot that way. Thats why a D.I needs to drill it into because your body naturally doesnt want to shoot that way. The reason for shooting nose to charging handle is to get a good site picture because of the terrible eye relief on a 4x32. The LT681 mount is specifically made to bring the acog back so you can shoot comfortably with it. Quoted:
Everything others have said aside- that looks like a very awkward place to put your light, as far as activating it. And just how huge is the shadow you get? When grabbing the foregrip it places my thumb right where the tail switch for the light is. I have it there so I can manipulate the light on and off without moving my hand or using a tape switch. The bipod is quick detachable so I only put it on there when going shooting so there isnt much of a shadow and it lights up a dark room very well. You seem to be impervious to hints or advice, so I'll just say - I'm glad you like it. That's all that matters. |
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No doubt... There is nothing lightweight about that build... Quoted:
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Nice stick, but you call that lightweight? No doubt... There is nothing lightweight about that build... Ok so I guess a 4oz bipod, a 4oz flashlight, a LW barrel, hollow grips and stock without storage compartments isn't considered lightweight. The purpose was not to try and have a gun a certain weight, it was to have a gun with all the features I want but be as light as possible which I feel I accomplished. Quoted:
Light needs to be as far forward as your rail will allow. ACOG looks WAY too far back. Ditch the bipod. Lol gotta love ar15.com, if you dont do everything how everyone else does it, its wrong. Does "to each his own" not exist here? A flashlight doesnt even need to be on a gun so saying it needs to be in a certain spot is inane. The flashlight is right where my thumb can manipulate it, mounting it further up would require me to move my hand or to use a tape switch which I personally dont like. Anyone who thinks my sight is too far back please google LT681 and you will see that its right where is supposed to be. I have used an ACOG with the stock mount and it doesnt bring it back far enough for proper eye relief, so I did some research and found that larue makes the LT681. |
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Anyone who thinks my sight is too far back please google LT681 and you will see that its right where is supposed to be. I have used an ACOG with the stock mount and it doesnt bring it back far enough for proper eye relief, so I did some research and found that larue makes the LT681. Fun fact, the LT681 is made for people using A2 stocks with body armor. Judging from the height of your bipod and the position of your optic, you do most of your shooting sitting behind a bench, right? |
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Fun fact, the LT681 is made for people using A2 stocks with body armor. Judging from the height of your bipod and the position of your optic, you do most of your shooting sitting behind a bench, right? Quoted:
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Anyone who thinks my sight is too far back please google LT681 and you will see that its right where is supposed to be. I have used an ACOG with the stock mount and it doesnt bring it back far enough for proper eye relief, so I did some research and found that larue makes the LT681. Fun fact, the LT681 is made for people using A2 stocks with body armor. Judging from the height of your bipod and the position of your optic, you do most of your shooting sitting behind a bench, right? How dare you quote facts to the guy that knows it all. |
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Anyone who thinks my sight is too far back please google LT681 and you will see that its right where is supposed to be. I have used an ACOG with the stock mount and it doesnt bring it back far enough for proper eye relief, so I did some research and found that larue makes the LT681. Fun fact, the LT681 is made for people using A2 stocks with body armor. Judging from the height of your bipod and the position of your optic, you do most of your shooting sitting behind a bench, right? How dare you quote facts to the guy that knows it all. Lol never claimed to know anything. I know it was designed for an a2 stock, the acog it self was designed to mount to an a2 carry handle as well, doesnt change the fact the the LT681 was made to bring the scope back to allow you to get proper eye relief without the silly nose to charging handle position. If I can hit my targets and im comfortable shooting it I dont see why it matters where my scope is. Im a NRA instructor and teach people to shoot all the time, sometimes the "correct" way isnt comfortable for people and their on target shooting how they are comfortable so why change it if its safe? I was the top shooter in my academy and didnt shoot exactly how they taught but they wernt going to change how I shoot when I was shooting better than the rest of the class. People here are way too hung up on what everyone else says you should do rather than what works for them. |
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This please. Too many accessories in awkward positions. Looks uncomfortable to shoot. Quoted:
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Light needs to be as far forward as your rail will allow. ACOG looks WAY too far back. Ditch the bipod. This please. Too many accessories in awkward positions. Looks uncomfortable to shoot. A bipod in front, a foregrip in the midde, a flashlight next to the foregrip where my thumb can manipulate it, and a scope exactly where its supposed to be with the mount thats on it. I guess those are awkward positions. |
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A couple of pics for those who think the flashlight is out of place and that the scope is too far back. Also a link to my bipod for those who think a lightweight build cant have a bipod.
http://www.dsarms.com/p-13858-b-t-quick-detach-lightweight-bipod.aspx 
As you can see the mount goes right to where its support to be. 
As you can see here the flashlight is just where it needs to be to be easily manipulated. |
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"I'm going to take a contrarian view on the nose to charging handle conventional wisdom. "
I'm also a heretic. Seems like most arfcomers learned to shoot their AR relatively recently in the military or a civilian (LE? 3-gun?) imitation. I didn't. I learned doing Service Rifle competition as a civilian. Never saw or heard of NTCH until I came here. I'm very use to, comfortable and proficient using the older A2 techniques. Since I can pull the stock back far enough to do the same with my M4-gery I use what I know. That ACOG back that far does look out of place, but if it works for your intended purpose there's no need to change it. I don't think my eyes sit that far back from my scope eyepiece, but I've never used an ACOG, is the relief that much different? |
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"I'm going to take a contrarian view on the nose to charging handle conventional wisdom. " I'm also a heretic. Seems like most arfcomers learned to shoot their AR relatively recently in the military or a civilian (LE? 3-gun?) imitation. I didn't. I learned doing Service Rifle competition as a civilian. Never saw or heard of NTCH until I came here. I'm very use to, comfortable and proficient using the older A2 techniques. Since I can pull the stock back far enough to do the same with my M4-gery I use what I know. That ACOG back that far does look out of place, but if it works for your intended purpose there's no need to change it. I don't think my eyes sit that far back from my scope eyepiece, but I've never used an ACOG, is the relief that much different? Quoted:
"I'm going to take a contrarian view on the nose to charging handle conventional wisdom. " I'm also a heretic. Seems like most arfcomers learned to shoot their AR relatively recently in the military or a civilian (LE? 3-gun?) imitation. I didn't. I learned doing Service Rifle competition as a civilian. Never saw or heard of NTCH until I came here. I'm very use to, comfortable and proficient using the older A2 techniques. Since I can pull the stock back far enough to do the same with my M4-gery I use what I know. That ACOG back that far does look out of place, but if it works for your intended purpose there's no need to change it. I don't think my eyes sit that far back from my scope eyepiece, but I've never used an ACOG, is the relief that much different? Yeah the 4x32 has terrible eye relief, so you really need to get up on it or the field of view shrinks drastically, so rather than bringing my nose to the charging handle, I brought my acog to my face. Just seems to make more sense to me. Quoted:
If you post a build on ARF, expect to get flogged by the hive. On another note, lightweight is sub 6lb to most of us here. I'm interested to see what your rig weighs. Yah I've been around this place long enough to know that is how a lot of people here are, I expected it considering my build is different than what you typically see on here. Sorry I didnt realize that it needed to be a certain weight to be considered lightweight. I wouldn't have titled it that if I had known. I simply called it lightweight because all the components I used including the barrel are "lightweight" components. I dont have a fancy scale but using my bathroom scale unloaded its at 7lbs. |
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For some reason you keep using this justification that it works for you. I've seen people shoot a pistol sideways, but that doesn't mean it's right.
Your stuff is set up in a really weird manner that shows you're not using it correctly. And there's no way that rifle is 7 lbs. Over 8 would be my estimate. |
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Good start. I'm going to echo the wtf to the bipod. That is just one more thing that can get caught on something when you're half awake trying to move during a break in.
I want to be small as possible in my home, which means my stock is retracted and my optic is placed to work with that position. Obvious YMMV, but I strongly suggest moving through your house with your current setup. |
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Yah I've been around this place long enough to know that is how a lot of people here are, I expected it considering my build is different than what you typically see on here. Sorry I didnt realize that it needed to be a certain weight to be considered lightweight. I wouldn't have titled it that if I had known. I simply called it lightweight because all the components I used including the barrel are "lightweight" components. I dont have a fancy scale but using my bathroom scale unloaded its at 7lbs. 100 lbs of feathers is still 100 lbs Just giving you a hard time. Whatever works for you, although I would push the Acog forward a little. |
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Good start. I'm going to echo the wtf to the bipod. That is just one more thing that can get caught on something when you're half awake trying to move during a break in. I want to be small as possible in my home, which means my stock is retracted and my optic is placed to work with that position. Obvious YMMV, but I strongly suggest moving through your house with your current setup. I said earlier in the thread that I only put the bipod on at the range, its has a QD mount, I simply put in on to take the pics. To the gentleman who doesnt think it weighs 7lbs I told you that was with my bathroom scale, it could very well be 8lbs but its not more than that. Look up the weight of all the components I listed, I can remove the bipod and flashlight and it would only remove 8 ounces or .5lbs. You can add things to a gun with out adding too much weight if you shop around for the lightest options. |
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OP it's your rifle so you shoot it however you want to.
IMO you are set up primarily as a bench gun. You mentioned close quarters use, but with the stock that far back you add several inches to the rifle. makes shooting in tight spaces more difficult. Bi-pod will also hang up in that environment. To me it sounds like your background is primarily hunting rifles or long frame rifles (Garand, M14, ect). Your light placement will throw shadows on your primary side, You want a clean field of light on the left side of the rile. IN all honesty we are just trying to help you maximize your rifle for ALL the things you say you want to use it for. Again your rifle your choices. Welcome to Ar15.com |
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OP it's your rifle so you shoot it however you want to. IMO you are set up primarily as a bench gun. You mentioned close quarters use, but with the stock that far back you add several inches to the rifle. makes shooting in tight spaces more difficult. Bi-pod will also hang up in that environment. To me it sounds like your background is primarily hunting rifles or long frame rifles (Garand, M14, ect). Your light placement will throw shadows on your primary side, You want a clean field of light on the left side of the rile. IN all honesty we are just trying to help you maximize your rifle for ALL the things you say you want to use it for. Again your rifle your choices. Welcome to Ar15.com This, just because it works for you doesn't mean its correct. |
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You asked for opinions, so please try to be open minded when you read them. Many of us started where you did and have learned through trial and error how to simplify
setups and reduce weight. Sling: Use the QD slot under the castle nut to attach the rear sling point and an Impact Weapon Components QD slot at 9 o'clock near rear of handguard. With a convertible sling (2 point to 1 point) you can easily transition to support side shooting. Your support hand will then have a lot more room on the rail to maneuver and even allow for your flashlight to be moved forward and up. http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/qd-rotation-limited-mount/ Flashlight: Positioning at 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock mounting (left side of rifle if you're right handed), or even 12 o'clock mounting with a pistol style light (TLR-1 of X300) allows for a thumb pointing forward grip which is consistent with fast and accurate multi-target pistol shooting if you want standardization between rifle and pistol. If you ditch the beer can grip, you can forego the vertical grip altogether and then you won't need to mount the light at 5 o'clock. MVG: the beer can grip does not aid in better shooting. Keeping the bottom of the FF rail clear of accessories actually allows you to use better support platforms like sandbags, backpack, etc, instead of needing a bipod. Bipod: Unless on a DMR, a bipod screams newbie to me for GP carbine (as does the VG/flashlight combo). If you remove the bipod and foregrip, and relocate the flashlight, you can use a backpack or bag when bench or prone shooting, but have a much lighter rifle to shoot offhand. ACOG: Try NTCH position, move the ACOG a bit forward so that if you chose to use a rear BUIS, you could. The NTCH gives consistency for eye relief and cheek weld. Depending on your height and arm length, you might need to collapse the stock. Anyway, try some new stuff. It might work for you. 
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A couple of pics for those who think the flashlight is out of place and that the scope is too far back. Also a link to my bipod for those who think a lightweight build cant have a bipod. http://www.dsarms.com/p-13858-b-t-quick-detach-lightweight-bipod.aspx <a href="http://s138.photobucket.com/user/Joe333x/media/20150313_151707_zps4zg97swb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q261/Joe333x/20150313_151707_zps4zg97swb.jpg</a> As you can see the mount goes right to where its support to be. <a href="http://s138.photobucket.com/user/Joe333x/media/20150313_151155_zps7m5y3iun.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q261/Joe333x/20150313_151155_zps7m5y3iun.jpg</a> As you can see here the flashlight is just where it needs to be to be easily manipulated. A) You're right. That IS where the RCO mount was intended to sit. The problem with your set up becomes apparent when you look at LaRue's photos of it on rifles, and read the description of the mount. It was designed for use with A2 stocks and specifically with body armor. Not with collapsible carbine stocks. Photo by mfingar: 
B) The point I was trying to make earlier is that using the flashlight in that position is going cast a huge shadow on the left side of the rifle, which is where you would want light the most. You should move the light up, and preferably to the 10 or 11 o'clock to eliminate or mitigate the shadow. You say you're not a closed door and that you don't know everything, but you have not been receptive to any ideas or suggestions made by members here. |
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"... but actually moving and shooting."
I'll have to reconsider this next tactical drill session. I've only done the shoot while moving with a friend's ACR(RD) and 1911. It was very difficult for me. Previous sessions with a shoot house or barrels to use as cover only involved stationary shooting, moving between positions and reloading. I did ok with my M4 (no bipod) non-NTCH technique. There is room for improvement. After reading this thread I've decided to at least remove the bipod while the M4 is home. I'll give NTCH another try....maybe I'll convert....most of my shooting is prone hitting steel at 500yds, NTCH feels very awkward to me there. |
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"... but actually moving and shooting." I'll have to reconsider this next tactical drill session. I've only done the shoot while moving with a friend's ACR(RD) and 1911. It was very difficult for me. Previous sessions with a shoot house or barrels to use as cover only involved stationary shooting, moving between positions and reloading. I did ok with my M4 (no bipod) non-NTCH technique. There is room for improvement. After reading this thread I've decided to at least remove the bipod while the M4 is home. I'll give NTCH another try....maybe I'll convert....most of my shooting is prone hitting steel at 500yds, NTCH feels very awkward to me there. Looks like somebody forgot to log out of their second account |
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No, I'm not the guy who started this thread, I have already commented about why I also don't currently use NTCH myself.
I wish I could afford an ACOG...... and other tacticool stuff....my M4-gery is very low budget...poly lower, very unpopular upper, Burris tac-30...I do have Magpul furniture....yet 500yd steel fears me...heh..... |
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