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Posted: 7/16/2015 2:34:32 AM EDT
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Finally got around to installing some new triggers tonight and compared them to some I've been shooting for years. Figured I'd post and see if anyone else has had a similar experience. Also, in before the "CMC" and "Jewell" and "AR GOLD" and "Timney" replies.
Giessele SD-E, by far the best I own, but more expensive than the rest. I like the flat trigger shoe. Giessele G2S, not bad, I like my RRA 2-stage better, RRA seems to break crisper and the RRA is cheaper. Giessele ACT, horrible spongy gritty creep, gritty reset, not impressed. Better than factory, I guess. Bill Springfield, he's done his $30 trigger job on three or four of my CMT factory triggers, with the JP Yellow springs, WAY WAY WAY better than the ACT, super clean break, almost no take-up, super short reset, my favorite cheap trigger by far and I'll likely put them in all of my ARs except my precision guns. RRA 2-Stage, mine hasn't broke yet, I have one at work too and both are running fine, love this trigger a lot, not as good as the SD-E but a lot cheaper and better than the G2S, prolly sell my G2S and put RRAs in all my precision rigs except my Grendel, which will get the SD-E. Not to take away anything from Giessele, I know his products are solid, but there is better out there for cheaper in my opinion. Now the fanboys can flame me. Anyone else have similar experience, particularly with the RRA and/or Bill Springfield? I may order some factory triggers and send them off to Bill just to have some more on hand, hopefully he is still doing them, its been a few years. |
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SSA and SSA-E are fine triggers The G2S and SSA are essentially the same, except for the laser engraving on the SSA, from what I have read and seen (friend has an SSA and I have a G2S) Just got done reading some threads on Springfield jobs.... had no idea his rep had gone into the shitter so bad. Think maybe a Spike's with JP yellows would be a better bet. Definitely not impressed with the ALG ACT. |
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts on those triggers. Trigger feel is very subjective. I do like my RRA triggers very much (I had three at one time - a NM, NM tuned by John @ WOA, and a Varmint-, now I'm down to two - the NM tuned by John @ WOA and the Varmint). They offer great bang for your buck, and they will help a shooter be more consistent, especially when compared to a stock trigger. That said, I am in the camp that believes that spending the extra coin for a trigger like the LaRue MBT-2S, one of the Geissele offerings, or a CMC trigger is a sound investment. My SSA has probably seen more rounds than any other trigger I have, and it feels as good today as it did when I picked it up in 2011. My next two favorites are the MBT and the Hi-speed NM with DMR springs. Being that the Hi-speed DMR is adjustable, it edges over slightly on the MBT. However, the MBT is likely my favorite non-adjustable 2-stage precision trigger. I pulled my DMR from my main hunting/precision rig and have been running the MBT instead to really see if using it over time will change that opinion. So far, I'm still loving the MBT, and it has helped me take a lot of whistle pigs this year, including my longest kill on record at 401 yards using a 77gr TMK. As for your comments on the ALG. I've felt a couple of their triggers, and the ones I used were huge improvements over a stock "GI-style" trigger. I have one of their AKTs in my AK and it's very nice; just a bit too light for me. |
| Ive had roughly the same thoughts. I got three Springfield triggers with JP red springs when everybody and their dog was. Ive read the reports about the Sprinfields but have never had a problem and easily my favorite, very close to my customized 22/45 target pistol. Ive tried the G2S as well, it might be alright for a long range scoped AR but personally I really don't care for it. I find the KAC and RRA a little better. I bought the Wilson TTU 3 gun to play with, I haven't shot it that much but I hope it gets better with more rounds through it. For the record I'm not mil/police, go into harms way or anything like that. |
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Anyone else have similar experience, particularly with the RRA and/or Bill Springfield? I may order some factory triggers and send them off to Bill just to have some more on hand, hopefully he is still doing them, its been a few years.
I have RRA NM triggers in 3 rifles, and I agree that the Varmint trigger is pretty much as good as it gets. I don't have much after-market AR trigger experience, but the first Varmint I got breaks almost identically to my Kimber Team Match II 1911 olympic practice pistol, which is as good as it gets. The second feels just a tad heavier. The NM trigger breaks like glass, but I don't like it's 4.25# pull - it is in a RRA 308, and they won't put a Varmint into a 308, so tough luck for me on that one. My only concern with them is longevity. We've all heard stories about RRA trigger failures after a couple thousand rounds, and an RRA rep verified to me that a few thousand rounds is their expected lifetime. Whatever fails in them apparently can be fixed, however, and I'd expect that RRA would do that service for free. |
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I was reading about these the other day, any chance of a version say a 3 gun model in the 2.5-3 lb area? Also since these are out of s7, I'm assuming you don't have to heat treat, just curious? |
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Triggers and their respective merits are heavily influenced by personal taste. My own experience boils the field down to 3 basic types:
1. GI-style triggers that have a short take up then release without a second stage, a stroke rather than a definite break 2. Single state triggers that have no take up and start with a crisp break 3. Two-stage triggers that have some take up, then a crisp break as a second stage Trigger take up is advantageous in a semi auto rifle for safety. GI-type triggers can be improved or redesigned to smooth out the take up and sometimes shorten it. The best example and my favorite is my Hiperfire 24C, a completely unique design. Single stage triggers are the closest to a really nice Jewell or Canjar on a bolt action rifle, but IMO they compromise safety and when set at very low release weights and possibly will let go when bumped hard. Two stage triggers like my Geissele SSA-E are a very nice compromise, offering a crisp release along with the safety of the take up. In summary, I prefer type no 1 because any sort of crisp break introduces a little bit of disturbance to the sight picture, whereas the light 2 lb stroke of my Hiperfire slides right off smooth as glass. Just my opinion, of course - CW |
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