User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 6:50:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
I saw that there was mention online of a new fostech trigger for around 260 or so. It was mentioned that this model uses our MilSpec selectors which would be great! Does anyone have any firsthand info on this? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 7:00:36 PM EDT
[#2]
Https://www.provenoutfitters.com/echo-trigger-sport
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 7:26:38 PM EDT
[#3]
What I found unusual is that when I looked for info on fostech’s site The trigger is not listed.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 9:03:38 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
I saw that there was mention online of a new fostech trigger for around 260 or so. It was mentioned that this model uses our MilSpec selectors which would be great! Does anyone have any firsthand info on this? Eta link to info on post 3. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 9:24:14 PM EDT
[#5]
Looks like you could easily drop a Wolff XP spring on the new model and use it with 7.62x39.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 10:41:41 PM EDT
[#6]
The email I received from proven arms states that this is definitely a binary. Notice also the states that do not allow this trigger. Nd is listed and correct as they do not allow binary triggers.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 11:07:50 PM EDT
[#7]
I wonder if this would run with a cmmg 22lr conversion.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 11:11:02 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I wonder if this would run with a cmmg 22lr conversion. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 11:15:30 PM EDT
[#9]
If they are still using their soft cast parts, not interested. Too many threads showing firing pin dents in the hammer and parts breaking.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/18/2019 11:21:03 PM EDT
[#10]
i was about to pick up a bfs 3 for a clone build but this looks like it might be worth a try
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 12:00:33 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
i was about to pick up a bfs 3 for a clone build but this looks like it might be worth a try I am interested to see what this trigger is about, anyone found definitive information on it yet? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 12:54:19 AM EDT
[#12]
That casting looks really bad.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 1:10:20 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The BFSIII is a good trigger, but the FosTech Echo Gen II, on top of being binary, is actually a really good trigger, I would put it up there with Geissele, LaRue, KAC, LMT, and etc etc... The BFSIII is good to go, I have one but its not anything to special outside that it has a Binary Mode, still better IMO, than a standard AR15 trigger, but nothing special. The FosTech Echo II you are paying for the Binary Function, as well as a clean crisp trigger on Semi, as well as its' Binary mode, throwing that out for you. I am interested to see what this trigger is about, anyone found definitive information on it yet? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 9:53:43 AM EDT
[#14]
Ok update.
I just called Fostech and they were quite surprised to hear that info on this was out already. They asked me who the online sales vendor was as apparently there are not many of these in the wild yet. Facts: it is binary and it uses your existing selector. It does not go into the 3rd position like the echo 2 does. Instead it has a paddle or lever that is above the trigger guard that moves this from semi to binary while the selector is in position number 2. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 10:03:59 AM EDT
[#15]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 10:10:26 AM EDT
[#16]
Looks like they dropped the timing control.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 10:11:43 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
OP had one job...LOL |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 10:17:46 AM EDT
[#18]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 10:20:25 AM EDT
[#19]
Ok thanks
See that little round thing in front of the trigger? I think per my conversation that is the item that you manipulate to enter binary mode. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 10:21:51 AM EDT
[#20]
Is that rust?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 10:26:12 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Is that rust? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 11:18:27 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Https://www.provenoutfitters.com/echo-trigger-sport |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 11:22:40 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I wonder if this would run with a cmmg 22lr conversion. CMMG Echo II |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 4:44:50 PM EDT
[#24]
$300 and you have to turn something... a "paddle" to switch from semi to binary? Seems like this is geared towards the person that has to have their aftermarket safety selector they paid $100 for.
You can get Franklin Armory AR15 Binary Triggers for $300-$330 if you look around, they are select-fire, and rock-n-roll. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 5:50:11 PM EDT
[#25]
I'm in for sure if the price comes down. The Gen I version got down to $459 INCLUDING a bolt carrier, then for Gen II they fixed some issues it was STILL $459 with NO bolt carrier. Prices have been dropping recently - I've seen $359 several places. If this version will work better and get to under $300, I'll try it. Just ordered 1K of 7.62x39 steel case that would go well with this trigger.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 6:02:14 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm in for sure if the price comes down. The Gen I version got down to $459 INCLUDING a bolt carrier, then for Gen II they fixed some issues it was STILL $459 with NO bolt carrier. Prices have been dropping recently - I've seen $359 several places. If this version will work better and get to under $300, I'll try it. Just ordered 1K of 7.62x39 steel case that would go well with this trigger. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 6:10:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I picked up my Gen 2 Echo for $299. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 6:12:33 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Classic Firearms? I do a gun.deals check on a regular basis, and I saw that deal had happened, but I missed it and haven't seen it since. I think we'll see it again by April - maybe even less? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 6:30:22 PM EDT
[#29]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 7:24:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Looks like it's made out of cork?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 8:00:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Very interesting. I think I'll pass though. I kind of like the feel of flipping that selector to the taboo third position. It seems more normal on an AR15 than some paddle too.
I think the Echo will continue to go down in price over time and maybe settle in the $250 range. After all, they are probably making them pretty cheap now since they've been out for a while. Fostech is a strange bird. They made us Version-1 buyers wait like a year until they delivered their first batch in a flood, even though we had already paid our deposits. I sometimes wonder if they did so to generate money to cover investments made, or work out kinks, fund R&D, or God knows what. I feel B is the right answer since the V-1s required their BCGs, but then the V2s that came out soon after didn't. To add to their oddness, they initially sold a modified part to convert V1s to V2s, then those disappeared from their website. The guys waiting for their AK Echos are going through the same thing - pay now, wait forever to get your triggers. I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to figure out how to replace their ghastly AK selector with a standard one. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/19/2019 8:18:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to figure out how to replace their ghastly AK selector with a standard one. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/20/2019 8:46:54 PM EDT
[#33]
Blah, I like the BFS better than my Echo.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/20/2019 9:04:36 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm in for sure if the price comes down. The Gen I version got down to $459 INCLUDING a bolt carrier, then for Gen II they fixed some issues it was STILL $459 with NO bolt carrier. Prices have been dropping recently - I've seen $359 several places. If this version will work better and get to under $300, I'll try it. Just ordered 1K of 7.62x39 steel case that would go well with this trigger. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/20/2019 9:32:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That will be priority #1 for us as soon as we get our hands on it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/2/2019 4:31:52 PM EDT
[#36]
So I just got a chance to play with the echo sport. It’s been crazy at the shop, so I apologize about the delay and no pictures of the trigger uninstalled. I will mak a separate thread with a full review and comparison of the echo/echo sport/binary/flat binary.
First Impressions: So first thing I noticed about the echo sport is that it is pretty much a binary trigger with a trigger lock to prevent hammer follow. So it’s a simpler trigger with less moving parts and trigger lock. Pretty cool. The installation is a little more difficult than the standard echo since it is not a cassette design, but it’s not bad at all. The one thing you can’t miss is that there is a selector in the trigger guard that lets you pick between semi and echo mode. So you no longer have a 3-position safety but a 2-position safety that can go from safe to semi or echo depending on the position of the second selector. It’s a lot like a PS90 selector and I don’t like it at all. I find it can get in the way of the trigger, but that’s just me and it could be different for you. One thing that is important to note is that you can no longer cancel the second round of echo mode by using the safety selector. To cancel the second round you have to use a second hand to manipulate the echo selector in the triggerguard. Good luck if you’re left handed... one major positive is that it still accepts our M16 selector levers so you can get rid of the ones fostech provides. Selector Lever Upgrade The trigger pull is ok, nothing to write home about. Probably on par with the franklin binary and doesn’t even come close to comparing to an echo trigger with an upgrade from TriggerDepot.com. Full review/comparison coming soon. Please forgive the crappy pictures in a strike industries trigger frame 
Notice the non-standard hammer 
Fostech didn’t send it with a detent cap... 
Second selector in semi 
Second selector in echo 
Second selector in semi 
Second selector in semi 
Second selector in echo 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/2/2019 7:26:39 PM EDT
[#37]
How much of the new Echo is MIM? I already have an extensive amount of rounds through mine, but I have a nagging dislike of MIM parts even though done right they are fine. Also the binary to semi selector on the Sport kind of reminds me of the FAMAS's selector.
Kind of off topic, but thank you for sharing the Echo selector and spring replacements, I ordered a set of the m16 style selectors and a spring. My only other question is, I have one of the first gen 2s that shipped out, and it has the short trigger, would it be worthwhile to send it to fostech to get it exchanged before I start tinkering with my trigger unit? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/3/2019 8:04:44 PM EDT
[#38]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O14zc-GNfQ
Fostech just released a new video "Echo Sport Introduction". This is the first place I have seen them publicly announce the trigger. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/3/2019 8:17:20 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O14zc-GNfQ Fostech just released a new video "Echo Sport Introduction". This is the first place I have seen them publicly announce the trigger.  Echo Sport Introduction |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/3/2019 8:37:52 PM EDT
[#40]
Fired it today.
Echo with upgrades > echo sport I am biased however |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/3/2019 9:16:43 PM EDT
[#41]
I'll take the AR-II. Somebody somewhere, probably inexperienced shooter, is going to point the gun up in the same position as Andrew did in the video, and then release the trigger before switching the paddle, sending a round off into who knows what. I think Fostech is exposing themselves to unnecessary risk by offering this design - "but I DID push the paddle". Just my opinion.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/3/2019 9:26:32 PM EDT
[#42]
I’ll stick to my Franklin Armory BFS III, no MIM crap!
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/3/2019 10:00:08 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fired it today. Echo with upgrades > echo sport I am biased however Did it function as intended? No failures/hammer follows? Mag dumps? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/4/2019 12:03:03 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for updating us on the trigger and sharing the photos. Did it function as intended? No failures/hammer follows? Mag dumps? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/4/2019 2:51:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No failures at all. I can outrun a BFS no and have to consciously slow down to avoid hammer follow. With either echo, no hammer follows semi or echo regardless of how fast I pull the trigger. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/4/2019 2:58:45 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thank you for sharing. I love my BFS and I worked out all the kinks except I still get the occasional hammer follow, which bugs me. I'm really looking at the fostech echos hard now though. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/4/2019 4:58:00 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A lighter carrier will stop hammer follow. I’m running a J.P. Enterprises LMOS QPQ carrier and of all the shooters who have tried to outrun the carrier no one has been successful. Edit: I just looked at the JP LMOS QPQ BCG and noticed it is 8.8 oz. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/4/2019 8:05:48 PM EDT
[#48]
"Thank you" to the guys at Trigger Depot for the post, info, pics, and opinions. I'm happy to see they were sincere in their review and not just promoting what could be a turd.
I'll hand it to Fostech, they're pretty creative, but that's as far as I go. Man, I just can't bring myself to like the new Echo at any price. I don't like that paddle seashell thing sticking out in front of the trigger, it just looks out of place. I don't like the fact that I can't cancel that extra shot by flipping the selector. Finally, I enjoy being able to flip the selector to the third position, which you can't on this one - I can't explain it, but it feels like Echo belongs in the third position. If I could spend one minute with Fostech, I'd tell them to ask what that customers want? Leave their current basic design alone, but focus on manufacturing better quality parts that go in the design. Improve what you have - better machined parts, better trigger feel (spring), improved feel selector, lower price. The price will go down as long as you stick with the basics and focus on making lots of them. As for the AK Echo, get rid of that ridiculous selector - any AK fan will tell you it's an abortion. And finally, if you feel the itch to develop something new, work on an MP-5 Echo. I think that particular market is set to explode and Franklin is already ahead of you. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2019 11:24:28 AM EDT
[#49]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dCf1D0gYM8
New video review & shooting of the Fostech Echo Sport. Edit: I can't figure out how to embed videos so here is the link... |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/5/2019 8:54:28 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dCf1D0gYM8 New video review & shooting of the Fostech Echo Sport. Edit: I can't figure out how to embed videos so here is the link...  FosTech Echo Sport vs. FosTech Echo ARII Triggers review! |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
