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Posted: 5/13/2005 9:48:21 AM EDT
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If for some reason the optics gets knocked off the rail you have no sights  Any training with a brass catcher mounted on the weapon is counter-productive as it is not practical. Maybe convenient come clean-up time, but I doubt they will go into battle with those mounted so it shouldnt be on there during training. |
No but it leds me to question the specs for the scope... I've seen it in person and it looked like a less ergomic and less efficent sight than the M2 series. I'm sure the hard to get factor woudl send the price skyrocketing and if you really want a sight that is mounted too low for and AR series weapon fill your boots. |
| I thought it was an interesting evolution of the design. A more streamlined body that is fully rubber armored and a built in mount that took away a point where something could come loose during a fall or hard impact (K.I.S.S.). The iron sights of a G3 are fairly low over the boreline so whatever optic is mounted wouldnt have to be raised as high as on an AR type rifle. In doing some research, it has been adopted by Italy as well as Sweden. I was just curious to see if anyone know some of the technical specs. |
I Think you guys misunderstood what we are trying to point out. I think what KevinB is trying to get across is that the fact that they have no iron sights on the rifle, and use brass catchers during their training is a bad idea, and not something that anyone who is serious about their training should want to emulate for obvious reasons. "You fight how you train, so train how you want to fight" |
I noticed that too  - as soon as I saw the G3/AK4, I though "that can't be Swedish army!"My guess is that they are Home Guard units. |
So on the basis of one set of photos the Swedish military doesn't know how to conduct training? I know the US Army qualifies with M9s using a laser unit. Lots of folks never even put a live round down range but still qualify expert. I guess the US is worse than the Swedes, who at least fire their weapons. Or am I grossly generalizing??? 
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A generalization on my part... certainly KevinB sounds like he has some experiance with the Swedes and their training.As far as the Army and their M9's... They probably realized that it was a bad idea to switch to a Berreta from the 1911, so they dont want to waste any more time or money on the pee-shooter. |
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Jesus H... What the f*ck is wrong with practicing SHOOTING with a brass catcher? If they were running their CQB maneuvers with the brass catchers, it would make a difference, but just practicing their firing while standing is not going to hurt. You are taking the whole "practice with the same as you will be 'working' with" idea way too far. Should they have mud thrown in their face or 80 pounds of gear on as well? You can practice shooting however you want- using a brass catcher during practice is not going to get you killed. |
I agree...for the most part, but these guys look like they probably do more "practice" shooting with the brass catchers on than anything else. Why use them at all? There is no excuse for chopping the irons off of any rifle, and replacing them with the system pictured. Just a bad idea. |
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i really don't see any "chopped" iron sights. I don't know much about the rifle and what exactly it is supposed to have in the way of irons. Are they maybe all practicing the use of this model of sight without being able to use irons? maybe that is the point? They've used irons all of their life and they have to qualify without them- only using the sight that you see. maybe it's not that easy to use or some of the guys are not adapting to it quick enough. |
Small Arms review had a good article about that I after reading it, I think they made a good choice. If anybody else has the copy, please comment! |
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Try some reading! www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/feb04.pdf#search='swedish%20g3' When is the last time your goverment gave you a "Battle Rifle" & told you to take it home? |
At least half or more or the pics I have seen of our troops in combat with Aimpoints show no BUIS... |
They ALL still have the FSB still attached, and a carry handle can be easily attached if the optic goes down. So iron sights are still an option on all of our militarys battle rifles, not on the Swedes. |
| I bet the BUIS on the Swede Aimpoint is about as useful as the BUIS on a TA01NSN... NOT VERY! 2-3" sight radius on a rifle.. way to use it to its full potential. Also have to flip the caps down first before you can even use it 'cause they're in the way. Does anyone really think those irons will still be there and be zeroed if the sight took a hit hard enough to knock it out of commision? I don't. BTW, what is the point of rails on an optic? Save the weight. I do like (some aspects) of how the adjustment knob is located down and away where it can't be broken off but that does make it more difficult to get to as well. They just need to beef up the knob attachment point on the standard M2, weakest link on the Aimpoint ML2/M2 IMO. I wonder if that was addressed on the ML3/M3? |
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