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Posted: 1/19/2009 10:39:13 AM EDT
| I looked but did not see this topic covered yet. A friend of mine went to SHOT this year and spoke with Magpul. He was told that they are coming out with an all new new PMag and that is the reason for the backorders. he was told the backorders will be filled first then new orders filled. He was also told that Magpul is not taking any new dealers right now. I am interested to see what comesout of the new mag. |
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Isn't it just the one from the magpul booth vid on youtube? If so it looks like the biggest difference is that the top cover can now snap onto the floorplate when not in use. There supposedly is also the new E-mag that will work with the 416, SCAR FS2000 etc. Here is a link to it from the bullpup forum.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=266671 |
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MAgpul hasn't accepted any new dealers for quite some time now.
The Emag is probably what the Pmag should have been all along. I've said it before, but putting that rib so close to the magwell was not the smartest thing they've ever done. Could have saved all those guys with out of spec magwells a lot of grief. |
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Could have saved all those guys with out of spec magwells a lot of grief. So making out of spec stuff for folks that already have out of spec stuff is a good idea? We can fill the world with lots of out of spec stuff and revel in the slop... 
I feel the same way... it is their fault for buying out-of-spec lowers... not MagPul's fault for making a magazine right. |
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"The shortage has been aggravated by not mfg PMags BECAUSE they are coming out with the new mags..."
This is incorrect. The difficult availability of the PMAG is simply due to incredible demand and nothing more. We are currently producing tens-of-thousands of PMAGs every week and are making dramatic increases in production on a consistent basis. Also, the PMAG M is an inline revision- just one of many in both design and construction that the magazine has seen in its history. We constantly strive to make an excellent product even better. The EMAG (Export MAGazine) is the same on the inside but is specifically designed on the outside to fit those weapon platforms that vary from the Colt magwell spec (HK 416, IMI TAVOR, SA80, etc). For AR15s the regular PMAG is still the better choice. "If you want to be technical the Pmag is not to USGI spec." Each and every PMAG is individually gauged to fit in a Colt M16 magwell. Nearly all ARs are reversed engineered since Colt has never released its TDP, and as such their tolerances can vary widely. Not only that, but magwell construction methods can play a part too (fully machined, broached, or wire EDM). PMAG tolerances can vary slightly (as all polymer products can) with some being slightly smaller than others, but none of them will have fit issues in a Colt M16. And yes, we do have a registered full-auto Colt M16... 
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| Built to fit 1 gun, and built to fit within the official tolerance stack are 2 totally different things. Essentially the Pmag is reverse engineered, off of 1 gun. Perhaps the lowers that don't fit are actually on the tight end of the TDP's design tolerance, and your 1 Colt rifle is on the loose end. |
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As stated in another thread:
No, but we initially decided that with the WIDE variation in tolerances that civilian AR15s have we would stick with the mil dimensions when building our mags. With much of our managerial and design staff being ex-military we also have access to a variety of true military weapons when designing our products. With that being said, our latest gauges are even tighter than the Colt spec as we are attempting to make the PMAG compatible with as many out-of-spec lowers as reasonably possible... Justin Beard Magpul Industries Tech Support / Customer Service |
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Justin,
Thanks for posting here. It's always good to hear the straight story from the manufacturer. Can you tell us if the inline change to the "Pmag M" is happening right now or later this spring? I like the changes you guys have given the "M" verison and think I will wait till they are in production and distruibution. Thanks again, knikshooter |
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"The shortage has been aggravated by not mfg PMags BECAUSE they are coming out with the new mags..." This is incorrect. The difficult availability of the PMAG is simply due to incredible demand and nothing more. Thanks for chiming in. However, YOUR reps said this at the show. I am not making it up. I am not sure why they are saying it because it is far different than what you are saying. |
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Thanks for chiming in. However, YOUR reps said this at the show. I am not making it up. I am not sure why they are saying it because it is far different than what you are saying. Perhaps " A friend of mine went to SHOT this year and spoke with Magpul" simply heard something wrong, or by the time it got to you something got jumbled. The facts are that demand has syrocketed due to the election, Magpul is making them, and vendors are selling a months supply of magazines in hours. |
| Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. You say that magpul is making them. Their own rep denied that. I have all the PMags I want so I don't really care, I was just asking. End of story. |
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Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Well, that's just not true. We're pumping out PMAG's like crazy. Oh, this is the horses mouth speaking. |
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Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Well, that's just not true. We're pumping out PMAG's like crazy. Oh, this is the horses mouth speaking. Just got some from Denny's (Global Tactical) dated 1/09. They must be making them . . . |
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Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Well, that's just not true. We're pumping out PMAG's like crazy. Oh, this is the horses mouth speaking. Just got some from Denny's (Global Tactical) dated 1/09. They must be making them . . . I got some dated 01/09 from LaRue, they are making them. |
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Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Well, that's just not true. We're pumping out PMAG's like crazy. Oh, this is the horses mouth speaking. I want to thumb my nose at the libs on another board. Would it be an OPSEC issue for you to tell us approximately how many PMags you can crank out in a day? I want to tell em' how fast you're making them and that even at that rate you're still really really backordered. (And that you're only one of many baby killing, terrorizing, spray and pray precision sniper eeeevil black rifle high capacity bananna clip makers working overtime to fill the demand.) |
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Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Well, that's just not true. We're pumping out PMAG's like crazy. Oh, this is the horses mouth speaking. It's better than the other end! Thanks! 
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Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Well, that's just not true. We're pumping out PMAG's like crazy. Oh, this is the horses mouth speaking. I want to thumb my nose at the libs on another board. Would it be an OPSEC issue for you to tell us approximately how many PMags you can crank out in a day? I want to tell em' how fast you're making them and that even at that rate you're still really really backordered. (And that you're only one of many baby killing, terrorizing, spray and pray precision sniper eeeevil black rifle high capacity bananna clip makers working overtime to fill the demand.) They've stated in the past that they don't talk openly about how many they produce in a day. Their competition are also members of these gun boards too... |
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Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Well, that's just not true. We're pumping out PMAG's like crazy. Oh, this is the horses mouth speaking. I want to thumb my nose at the libs on another board. Would it be an OPSEC issue for you to tell us approximately how many PMags you can crank out in a day? I want to tell em' how fast you're making them and that even at that rate you're still really really backordered. (And that you're only one of many baby killing, terrorizing, spray and pray precision sniper eeeevil black rifle high capacity bananna clip makers working overtime to fill the demand.) They've stated in the past that they don't talk openly about how many they produce in a day. Their competition are also members of these gun boards too... I think there's enough business to go around. It doesn't seem like anyone is competing against anyone else right now, at least in terms of magazine sales. The only race seems to be against the clock and cranking out as many as humanly possible before this president signs the next ban. I don't think such numbers would change their competitor's behavior, mostly because their competitors can't keep up with production either. I'm goin' for the "a ban won't make a difference because there are , say, 10,000 a day being produced from one manufacturer alone and it's been that way for months now. Politically speaking, now might be a pretty good time to start throwing out some numbers. Considering the radical reduction in sales after a ban, giving the antis a hint at how much they have to overcome might scare a few of their politician allies into being less supportive and more fearful for their jobs. I understand why they wouldn't give out numbers, I just think in terms of cost/benefit it would serve them better to release a few numbers. |
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We are shipping tens-of-thousands of PMAGs every week with steady increases in production on a consistent basis. Justin Beard Magpul Industries Tech Support / Customer Service When does the new mold Pmag without the window impression start shipping to dealers? |
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Dude-Man or DrDrake
Could you confirm/clarify a few details on the PMag M and EMag please. As you mentioned the EMag is designed for the non-Colt spec weapons like the HK, FN and IMI. However, I understand that the PMag M has a smooth non-ribbed exterior like the EMag. Does this mean that the PMag M's will also fit the HK/FN/IMI? Will the EMag be available to the general public or is it only an export/LE only item as the name would seem to imply? Lastly, a post in another thread suggested that the EMag would not be as reliable as the PMag M in AR-15's. Is that true? TIA |
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We are shipping tens-of-thousands of PMAGs every week with steady increases in production on a consistent basis. Justin Beard Magpul Industries Tech Support / Customer Service That's pretty freakin' awesome! 
Now if only I could find ONE windowed PMag in FDE in stock and ready to go..... 
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DrDrake, I have to tell you that one of your vendors (machineguntours) were very outspoken regarding your production and about the supply/demand. I got to talking to one of their sales guys while at Tanner this weekend in Denver and it was like talking to a board. He also made it sound like they were Magpul's best friend and could go get mags at anytime. Sorry for the direct rant (as I know I'm a probie on here still), but it ticked me off a bit. He made is sound like that if you didn't buy from him, you wouldn't get any mags (he even made a dig against Brownells and 44mag). The new mag design and the devotion to fill backorders from supported vendors is what will keep me coming back. Thanks guys! |
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We are shipping tens-of-thousands of PMAGs every week with steady increases in production on a consistent basis. Justin Beard Magpul Industries Tech Support / Customer Service  Holy crap. "Tens of thousands" and I still can't find any! Amazing. Politicians should pay heed.
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However, I understand that the PMag M has a smooth non-ribbed exterior like the EMag. Does this mean that the PMag M's will also fit the HK/FN/IMI? Will the EMag be available to the general public or is it only an export/LE only item as the name would seem to imply? Not sure if you got this answered elsewhere, but this was posted in the magpul forum a couple weeks ago: All non window PMags will be shipped with the new style as an inline change with the same part number. Window mags will remain unchanged for the moment. The new PMAG 30 M is the same geometry and composite as the previous version with the following enhancements. 1. Cover can be snapped onto floor plate 2. Better stripper clip compatibility 3. No window area 4. Better drop free compatibility with 3rd party lowers. 5. New molding process allows for better impact strength (especially in extreme temperatures) The PMag 30 M has the same ribbing, except as noted above it doesn't have the "window area" anymore. This means it still won't fit euro rifles that don't follow the Colt spec, like the 416, FS2k, SA80, etc. That's all moot, since anyone with those rifles will be buying EMags instead, if they want to go the magpul route for magazines, when they become available for sale (to everyone). It would be hilarious if Magpul got a contract with the British MOD for EMags. Bet HK would love them as much as FN apparently does...
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We are shipping tens-of-thousands of PMAGs every week with steady increases in production on a consistent basis. Justin Beard Magpul Industries Tech Support / Customer Service Holy crap. "Tens of thousands" and I still can't find any! Amazing. Politicians should pay heed.At the time you wrote that response Palmetto had plain black, Brownells had OD windows, and Midway apparently had something, too. |
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Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Did you see how fast they sold out at Palmetto state armory yesterday ??? 1500 in about 45 minutes. I got 10 and then went back and they were o.o.s. All the mag whores scooping them up !! They had a 100 mag limit on purchases and they must have sold a ton 100 at a time to sell out that quick. |
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Quoted: Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. This completely incorrect. Original PMag molds have been running full speed with non windowed PMags up until the new molds went online. Infact they are still running windowed only now that the new non window molds have come online. Be careful with 3rd hand information. |
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Quoted: Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Did you see how fast they sold out at Palmetto state armory yesterday ??? 1500 in about 45 minutes. I got 10 and then went back and they were o.o.s. All the mag whores scooping them up !! They had a 100 mag limit on purchases and they must have sold a ton 100 at a time to sell out that quick. Ask them to give me a call in the office 303 828 3460 and I'l set them straight. They are providing you with incorrect info, period. |
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Again, they told my dealer (and one other who was with him confirms it) that they said that they are not making ANY PMags until the new design is made. Well, that's just not true. We're pumping out PMAG's like crazy. Oh, this is the horses mouth speaking. Then please send a bunch of non-windowed, black 30 rounders to EGUNS.COM so I can receive my order of 10 of them that I placed in November.l Also, how do I get on the wait list for your new DPMS 308 20 rounders? |
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We are shipping tens-of-thousands of PMAGs every week with steady increases in production on a consistent basis. Justin Beard Magpul Industries Tech Support / Customer Service That's awesome you deserve every penny you make, all of your products are top notch |
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I giuess I have to say something AGAIN. I NEVER accused Magpul of anything. I love their products and use them all. The original post was that TWO FFL friends of mine were told, at the same time, at the Magpul booth, that the mags were NOT being produced until the new design came out. Now, Magpul reps are correcting the info. I accept that. No harm no foul.
BTW, my dealer just got a shipment of black PMags yesterday. (Old design)
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I giuess I have to say something AGAIN. I NEVER accused Magpul of anything. I love their products and use them all. The original post was that TWO FFL friends of mine were told, at the same time, at the Magpul booth, that the mags were NOT being produced until the new design came out. Now, Magpul reps are correcting the info. I accept that. No harm no foul. BTW, my dealer just got a shipment of black PMags yesterday. (Old design) Having worked in retail before, in small stores, I have learned to take rumours from such places with a shaker-full of salt. A lot of people who "work" in the business (whatever that business is), pretend to inside information they have access to, often to mollify a customer, but in some sad cases, to inflate their ego, or sense of self-worth. |
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Tried my new Mmags in my FN2000 and it did not fit properly.
It inserted smoothly up to a point then it got harder. I had to really pull hard to take it out. I had to fight the urge to slap the bottom hard and see if would lock up. I didn't want to get it stuck. Anyone else have any luck in theirs? |
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Tried my new Mmags in my FN2000 and it did not fit properly. It inserted smoothly up to a point then it got harder. I had to really pull hard to take it out. I had to fight the urge to slap the bottom hard and see if would lock up. I didn't want to get it stuck. Anyone else have any luck in theirs? None of the PMAG's to include the EMAG will not fit in the mag well of the FS2000. This is due to the rubber gasket and shape of the mag well. |
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