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Posted: 1/21/2014 7:54:22 PM EDT
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Hey there, I'm new here... But been lurking for a while.
I have been wanting an AR for a while. Finally found a new lower from a local guy. Excited to start a build, pretty sure it'll be a while as I got lots more research to do. http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/bansheechad/F31FFABC-48BE-4F8D-A2D8-B5C883B6CA75.jpg Wanting to build a good coyote-shtf/fun rifle. Leaning towards an 18 inch heavy barrel, not sure on brand or anything. Any recommendations? Still trying to decide on stock, then I'll be ordering a lpk and stock. Well, thanks for the read and welcomes. |
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I'm all about the Daniel Defense 18" S2W barrel.
https://danieldefense.com/cold-hammer-forged-barrels/18-inch-chf-barrels/18-5-56mm-s2w-mid-length-chf-barrel-stripped.html |
Welcome FNG! Glad to see you didn't get the "Dueling Penises"!
There are plenty of solid barrel choices available but you need to tell us more about what your goal is for your rifle. What's your budget? Will you be shooting match-grade or military ammunition? Do you reload? Why 18"? What range are you looking at? Are you planning on optics? If so what? |
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fir a multi purpose rifle i would stay away from the 18" barrel. It takes away alot from the maneuverability of the rifle. I have a 18" that is used for bench shooting/hunting. For a 1st AR I would go with a 16" lightweight or govt. profile barrel. Barrel is the most important part of accuracy and from my experiences the 3 best all purpose barrels are the Daniel Defense, BCM and Noveske. If it were me I would go to here and look at the upper receiver groups. Being your 1st build i would not try to build the upper myself as they can be tricky to get right plus you will not save much money at all. THe lower you should not have much problem with just get a quality mil spec lower parts kit from a reputable dealer like SPikes, DD, BCM, etc. The Magpul stocks are a very good choice. THe MOE can be had for around $50 or so. Then depending on your upper choice you will need a charging handle and BCG Be sure to get a BCG from a good manufacture like Daniel Defense, BCM etc. This is the heart of the gun lots of issues are BCG related.
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For 'yotes (pigs in my case) 18" is fine, and you get 200fps more than you would from a 16" barrel.
As for barrel choices I went with the 18" Rainier Select. It's a polygonal-rifled barrel that is accurate and easy to clean (made by Blackhole). Even though chambered in 5.56 it comes with an MOA warranty and leaves meat on the bone to be spent elsewhere. The Noveske is great, no doubt, but you'll spend twice the $$$ for probably less than a 1/4 moa gain. Mine shoots .75 moa with my handloads. Out at 600 yds that's 4.5" and well within the size of a yote or blob-o-bacon. Another choice that is good for the money, especially if alternate calibers are your thing, is ar15performance.com. They use the 5R rifling the Army and Marine Core have used in their sniper rifles forever. They are reasonably priced as well. Spend the savings on good glass and a good trigger instead, they will mean more than the brand on the barrel. Good luck with the build however you decide to go. |
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I'm all about the Daniel Defense 18" S2W barrel. https://danieldefense.com/cold-hammer-forged-barrels/18-inch-chf-barrels/18-5-56mm-s2w-mid-length-chf-barrel-stripped.html Great now I want one  Thanks a lot for helping me spend my money Medic
Welcome new guy! Congrats 
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Cool, thanks for all the advise and welcomes guys!
Lots of good info here. Some more info, I'm wanting 300ish yards or less. Got a great .22-250 for longer. Just wanting something to have easy in and out of truck and for when I get em close. Reloading is in the plan once I get things figured and some brass saved up. Optics... Not sure, nice 3-9, straight 4, or a red dot with a magnifier?? Not sure what I'm doing there. Leaning to red dot now, and adding magnifier later? Budget, not going to say isn't one, but I'll wait and save if I need to. |
| As someone who recently finished their first build, I highly recommend building your own upper as well. It was definitely worth it. I feel like I know my way around my rifle a lot more than some of my other friends who haven't done this. (I also highly recommend the Centurion Arms CMR!) |
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Thanks. I'm thinking 18 just for the little extra oomph once it's out a few yards.
The zombie... Ya, not first choice, I don't care too much what's on it. But it was local and new, no dealer dealings.. I definitely plan to build upper. Just want to get exactly what I want, don't want to buy one, then change half the stuff. |
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Well you don't sound new. Myself and plenty of other member have had to learn that leason the hard way. New to AR, not new to gun or mechanical stuff. Been hunting since I was born, and riding dirt bikes since I can remember. I think most of the fun of this rifle is the research and putting together of it. Been reading some, but going to be much more thorough now that lower is in hand. |
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I like the color fill, pretty cool.
I think the only thing I'm unclear of is the gas system length( which just means more reading and research, half the fun) I see carbine and mid length a lot, but just those really. I know carbine is 16 inch, at least for rifle designation, so the gas system I need more studying of. Anyone know of a good read on the diff systems? |
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I like the color fill, pretty cool. I think the only thing I'm unclear of is the gas system length( which just means more reading and research, half the fun) I see carbine and mid length a lot, but just those really. I know carbine is 16 inch, at least for rifle designation, so the gas system I need more studying of. Anyone know of a good read on the diff systems? You'll see three lengths of gas systems: carbine, mid, and rifle. Carbine is 7", Mid is 9", and rifle is 12". General rule is with the longer gas systems, the dwell time is longer for the gas to reach the bolt, so the recoil is not as harsh. Between a carbine and mid system, some notice a difference, some don't. With 18" barrels, you'll find the mid and rilfle length gas systems to be common, and personally I'd go with the rifle length gas if the barrel is set up for it. |
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fir a multi purpose rifle i would stay away from the 18" barrel. It takes away alot from the maneuverability of the rifle. I have a 18" that is used for bench shooting/hunting. For a 1st AR I would go with a 16" lightweight or govt. profile barrel. Barrel is the most important part of accuracy and from my experiences the 3 best all purpose barrels are the Daniel Defense, BCM and Noveske. If it were me I would go to here and look at the upper receiver groups. Being your 1st build i would not try to build the upper myself as they can be tricky to get right plus you will not save much money at all. THe lower you should not have much problem with just get a quality mil spec lower parts kit from a reputable dealer like SPikes, DD, BCM, etc. The Magpul stocks are a very good choice. THe MOE can be had for around $50 or so. Then depending on your upper choice you will need a charging handle and BCG Be sure to get a BCG from a good manufacture like Daniel Defense, BCM etc. This is the heart of the gun lots of issues are BCG related. Upper Receivers I disagree o nthe barrel length... there is a reason the Navy went 18" with its SPR BECAUSE it's a multi-purpose rifle. You also get a lot more velocity falloff from 18 to 16 than you do from 20 to 18. I used the 18" Rainier Select. Comes with an MOA guarantee, and it's legit. Love mine, and half the price if a Noveske (Pac-Nor) barrel. You can spend twice the $$$ and gain a 1/4 moa if it means that much to you, but that is 1.5" of added accuracy at 600 yds. To a multi-purpose rifle it's a waste of $$$. As for building an upper it's not rocket surgery. If you can build a lower you can build an upper. Look up Brownells videos and they make it easy as cake. |
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