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Posted: 10/24/2013 5:25:38 PM EDT
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Hey all. This is my first post so I apologize if I screw up the pictures and posting. This is my work gun I just built. We got M16s from the DOD and the Chief wanted to change them over to carbines so he has me building them. They all have M4 14.5" barrels except mine. Yes, the safety selector goes 180 degrees and it runs like a beast on full auto. I was given leeway to build what I wanted so I put on a Daniel Defense 11.5" barrel. I had to pay for the barrel and any accessories past the Aimpoint. This one has: M16 full auto lower receiver modified with collapsible stock BCM flat top upper receiver Aimpoint Comp M2 Colt BUIS Surefire G2 in Viking Tactics mount Daniel Defense 1/7 CHF 11.5" barrel with "F" marked FSP Lanco Tactical GripStop Magpul BAD lever When I get a chance to install them its getting a Magpul stock, Redi-Mag, changing out the Surefire with a Fenix E21, Bravo Company grip, and I am changing out the A2 flash hider with something else. I haven't decided yet. Anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking maybe BattleComp 1.0. |
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It is getting a Magpul stock, Redi-Mag, BCM Gunfighter Mod 1 grip, LWRC trigger guard, and a new flash hider shortly. I tried out some suppressors today too. I may go with a Surefire flash hider so I can mount a Mini Monster suppressor. I also may experiment with a PWS FSC556 compensator I have laying around. The blast might be too much though.
Before and after. The top is one of the rifles I haven't gotten to yet. This is what they all started off as. Its nasty because I soaked it in EWL and let it sit overnight so I could clean it easier. I covered the serial number for obvious reasons. The fun parts |
Why are you putting your own money into a company gun? The whole DOD thing just sounds funny to me. There is just enough information here to pass off an airsoft as the real thing, but not quite enough to prove a legitimate MG. See where I'm going with this? Open that thing up and post some real pics. I don't want to shit on anyone's parade but my BS meter is pegged out over this. So far all I'm getting is 
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http:// <a href=http://s1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj539/R4bb1t19/?action=view¤t=20131022_151227_zpsbdfdee38.jpg target=_blank><img src=http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj539/R4bb1t19/20131022_151227_zpsbdfdee38.jpg border=0 alt=></a> Hey all. This is my first post so I apologize if I screw up the pictures and posting. This is my work gun I just built. We got M16s from the DOD and the Chief wanted to change them over to carbines so he has me building them. They all have M4 14.5" barrels except mine. Yes, the safety selector goes 180 degrees and it runs like a beast on full auto. I was given leeway to build what I wanted so I put on a Daniel Defense 11.5" barrel. I had to pay for the barrel and any accessories past the Aimpoint. This one has: M16 full auto lower receiver modified with collapsible stock BCM flat top upper receiver Aimpoint Comp M2 Colt BUIS Surefire G2 in Viking Tactics mount Daniel Defense 1/7 CHF 11.5" barrel with "F" marked FSP Lanco Tactical GripStop Magpul BAD lever When I get a chance to install them its getting a Magpul stock, Redi-Mag, changing out the Surefire with a Fenix E21, Bravo Company grip, and I am changing out the A2 flash hider with something else. I haven't decided yet. Anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking maybe BattleComp 1.0. NO NO NO NO NO!!!! Fenix lights are great and all, but not as a weapons light. That is not what they are made for. While it might be okay on your super-ninja range warrior carbine that you play around or go rabbit hunting at night with, you need a light that was built as a weapon light on your work gun. Seriously brother, this isn't the place to skimp! You spent good money on an excellent barrel, now spend some on a proper light. If you don't have the money to purchase a Surefire, look at the Streamlights. Lots of places give an LE discount on lights. |
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Why are you putting your own money into a company gun? The whole DOD thing just sounds funny to me. There is just enough information here to pass off an airsoft as the real thing, but not quite enough to prove a legitimate MG. See where I'm going with this? Open that thing up and post some real pics. I don't want to shit on anyone's parade but my BS meter is pegged out over this. So far all I'm getting is I take it you're not read in on the brand-new program of the DOD selling rifles via DRMO to police departments? I think an M16 is about $25 that way. New program, though, only started in '75 or so |
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I take it you're not read in on the brand-new program of the DOD selling rifles via DRMO to police departments? I think an M16 is about $25 that way. New program, though, only started in '75 or so Quoted:
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Why are you putting your own money into a company gun? The whole DOD thing just sounds funny to me. There is just enough information here to pass off an airsoft as the real thing, but not quite enough to prove a legitimate MG. See where I'm going with this? Open that thing up and post some real pics. I don't want to shit on anyone's parade but my BS meter is pegged out over this. So far all I'm getting is I take it you're not read in on the brand-new program of the DOD selling rifles via DRMO to police departments? I think an M16 is about $25 that way. New program, though, only started in '75 or so Apparently I'm not.  I'll take a read on it and go post some snarky shit somewhere else. Thanks.
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I am not sure I understand the airsoft reference, but when the military makes equipment obsolete it eventually is trickled down to LE through the DRMO/LESO program. We got these as obsolete original M16s (no forward assists, full auto instead of burst, and triangle handguards). This is also why there is an Aimpoint Comp M2 on here. It is obsolete as the military now issues Comp M4s. We got the sights for free. We also got the 14.5" M4 barrels for free too. My department issued me the rifle but they won't pay for further modifications like an 11.5" barrel or light when they have 14.5" barrels and Surefires already provided. If I don't like what they give me, I have to pay for it myself. Simple budget issue. I will post pics if that makes everyone happy. I will take pics tomorrow since the rifle is in my locker at the station.
Why no to the Fenix light? I have used the E21 as a handheld backup light for a while and love it. I use a Fenix TK41 on duty for its 800 lumens of blinding goodness. Do they not handle the recoil? The Surefire on the rifle is only 80 lumens and it blows. My TLR-1s on my duty gun is 300 lumens. If the Fenix won't hold up to recoil I will just put on one of the extra TLR-1s we have in the armory. |
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Why are you putting your own money into a company gun? The whole DOD thing just sounds funny to me. There is just enough information here to pass off an airsoft as the real thing, but not quite enough to prove a legitimate MG. See where I'm going with this? Open that thing up and post some real pics. I don't want to shit on anyone's parade but my BS meter is pegged out over this. So far all I'm getting is Why is any of this relevant? Many departments have received old military M16s. |
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That sucks that you can't switch out the two worst things about them. The rifle barrel was way too long and the upper sucks too. Those older uppers had crappy iron sights. Did you guys get the forward mounts that attach to the carry handle and allow you to mount an optic over top of the handguards? We found the Comp M2s and decided to buy flat top uppers to mount them instead. I would rather have kept the fixed stock.
You have a nice collection there! Definitely jealous of that bolt action in the background. I need one of those! |
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[b]Quoted: I take it you're not read in on the brand-new program of the DOD selling rifles via DRMO to police departments? I think an M16 is about $25 that way. New program, though, only started in '75 or so Ry: I understand the benefits of building ARs for your police dept using low cost M16s as a starting point. For $25 you get a usable lower with detail parts already installed. But why preserve the full auto feature? There are only a few military situations where full auto fire is called for - e.g., breaking contact in an ambush situation or hosing down a carload of enemy combatants at a roadblock. For most other uses, including police work, well aimed single shots and double taps seem appropriate. Am I missing something? - CW |
| Actually, our patrol guys have to have semi-auto only selectors in them for duty purposes. The FA internals stay intact but the semi-auto selector doesn't allow the sear to work. Like you said there really is no need for the full auto function in Law Enforcement. SRT guys have the option to keep it because they have a lot more training but it is not needed. Most don't have it. I only put the full auto selector in for range days and practice because its fun. When it is in the car it is semi-auto. Hopefully I will get into SRT this year and get to keep the fun switch. |
| Thanks, R. Keep up the good work. Since you are experimenting, I wonder how well a muzzle break would work keeping full auto fire controllable in your patrol rifles. I'd say keeping a 5-round burst in the black at 25 yards from a field position, would be doing pretty well. - CW |
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REMOVE the Bad-lever.
They may be cool for gamers and what not, but I wouldn't trust them on a rifle that may protect my life. They can cause premature lockback and failures to lock back. You should see how they react under recoil on high speed video. I'd go for a better light, personally, but one that's rated for and has a history of weapon use. I'd suggest a P2X Tactical Fury. Very bright, and the EAG guys use them exclusively. I wouldn't use a fenix. I'm not horribly familiar with their line for weapon use, but having worked at a couple companies where my job was to test guns, peripherals, and electro-optics, I can assure you that weapon recoil forces destroy electronics. Don't use a compensator. The short barrel already produces an obscene amount of blast and for your and your buddies hearing and communication, I'd stick with a flash hider until you get your can. Honestly, the A2 is great for what it does. Andrew from VuurwapenBlog has some really good info on muzzle device comparisons. OP, feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss anything technical offline 
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TCBA_Joe, I was quite impressed with the A1 Compensator that I pirated from the original barrel. Any suggestions on a new one? I don't want any of the large SBR comps like the KX3 or PWS CQB. I am interested in feedback from those with experience. A1, A2, AAC 3-Prong, Vortex 3-Prong flash hiders are the most effective flash hiding designs. They also don't create any additional concussion from redirecting the gasses. I'd say keep an A1 or A2 until you pick and buy a can, then choose the muzzle device compatible with that can. |
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Having "one of the guys" re-building .gov provided M16's for duty use has fail written all over it. I know some really piece of shit local law dogs from when I lived in south east Pa. The first time one of those guns either kills someone, or fails when needed is a law suit waiting to happen.
Paladin ETA: local west Texas leo's got some of those .gov M16's. first mod was to REMOVE the auto sears. the next "mod" was to keep using their RELIABLE Mini-14's. |
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I am not sure how to take your post. Last time I checked, people kill people not guns by themselves. Also, I am a trained armorer and firearms instructor, not "one of the guys". This is why I am building them. If you are implying that I am not capable, I would like to see your proof. We have not had any issues with the ones I have built. There is always a lawsuit anytime there is a LE involved shooting so I fail to see how the equipment could miraculously change that. People sue over the fact that someone was killed, not because of what was used to kill them in LE shootings. Also, how is the AR15 not reliable?
From your post it seems more like an officer in PA rained on your parade and you are harboring some hostility, not common sense Joe, I will take your advice and stick with the current flash hider. |
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I am not sure how to take your post. Last time I checked, people kill people not guns by themselves. Also, I am a trained armorer and firearms instructor, not "one of the guys". This is why I am building them. If you are implying that I am not capable, I would like to see your proof. We have not had any issues with the ones I have built. There is always a lawsuit anytime there is a LE involved shooting so I fail to see how the equipment could miraculously change that. People sue over the fact that someone was killed, not because of what was used to kill them in LE shootings. Also, how is the AR15 not reliable? From your post it seems more like an officer in PA rained on your parade and you are harboring some hostility, not common sense Joe, I will take your advice and stick with the current flash hider. +1. Some people may have low post counts and not brag about everything on ARFCOM but the work still gets done correctly if not better... |
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Those are pretty awesome. Looks like a fun project.
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned just using a drop in LED upgrade for your older g2. I use a new led one and its PLENTY bright. Almost too bright as it reflects off of walls and can effect my vision. My be a good way to save some cash but upgrade lights. Maybe even mention to your superiors about using an led upgrade in all the g2s. Stay safe. |
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Joshiedoom, I do appreciate it.
Mattman, I do have an LED Surefire but I wouldn't mind upgrading it if there is a brighter one. I will do the research. You may just save some money for me to spend on other mods. What lumen output is yours? I am looking for at least 150 lumens and preferably under 300. Any more and I get wash out during midnight building searches. It seems like everyone has white walls and random mirrors so I have to be cognisant not to blind myself. |
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My led g2 is 320 on high and 15 on low. (According to surefire) I often find myself keeping it at 15 then only putting it on high for late night shooting.
Im pretty positive the led drop in upgrades I've seen for the older g2s puts it right around low 200s which to me is plenty. I'll do some research tonight and edit this post with positive info. I did get my g2 at good ole Walmart for around 60.00 though and love it. |
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Quoted: Thanks mattman. I did some research amd found a 300 lumen upgrade for my light for under 20 bucks shipped. Solves that problem. |
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I am not sure how to take your post. Last time I checked, people kill people not guns by themselves. Also, I am a trained armorer and firearms instructor, not "one of the guys". This is why I am building them. If you are implying that I am not capable, I would like to see your proof. We have not had any issues with the ones I have built. There is always a lawsuit anytime there is a LE involved shooting so I fail to see how the equipment could miraculously change that. People sue over the fact that someone was killed, not because of what was used to kill them in LE shootings. Also, how is the AR15 not reliable? From your post it seems more like an officer in PA rained on your parade and you are harboring some hostility, not common sense Joe, I will take your advice and stick with the current flash hider. If your the armorer help rewrite the policy to CYA on the mods made. One less thing to have to defend in court if someone gets zapped by one of the rebuilds. |
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