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Posted: 1/10/2014 2:37:18 PM EDT
| Thinking about getting a Windham in M4 config. I saw one at the local wallyworld a while back and I was impressed with fit and finish. I'm more of an AK platform guy so I'm asking the hive for your thoughts on Windham quality compared to say Armalite and Colt. |
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I've had one for a couple years now and it's been flawless over a few thousand rounds. Ran it in a tactical carbine class last summer where it (and I) got very hot and very dirty with no ill effects. My son also got one a while back after seeing and shooting mine and his has been just as solid. We'd both buy them again without reservation. Plenty of threads on Windham rifles if you go use the search function and there's also the "Industry" section for Windham and others if you click the link at the top of the page.
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Thanks for the reply guys. Your comments on performance reflect the same as the fit and finish I saw in person. The Windhams are top notch indeed. It's on the summer buy list. 
Great guns. You do know that one more BS shooting and they will be gone for a long time again right? Save your pennies cut expenses and get one now...I am doing the same to get two trashcan O Paps |
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Armalite better than Colt 
OP, spend the extra $100-$200 and buy an LE6920. Quoted:
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They're quality. I would rate it Windham, Colt, Armalite. But theyre all right there. It's a great first AR15 option Armalite better than Colt
OP, spend the extra $100-$200 and buy an LE6920. Ease up now... Everybody has to start somewhere. Now I'll agree that Armalite isn't what it once was and all but it is far from shit. Believe it or not, the hammer of Thor doesn't construct every Colt rifle; churning off the assembly line himself. Colt is a very solid rifle, one of my favorites... but flawlessness is NOT an absolute characteristic of the brand. Armalite makes a solid rifle as well as Windham Weaponry does. I will give the edge to Colt but they are not the end all be all on the subject. OP, if you have the money, get the Colt but its not a must. A Windham or Armalite will serve you well and get you at least into the game... Later on you can decide if you want to spend more money for the premium brands... |
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Great guns. You do know that one more BS shooting and they will be gone for a long time again right? Save your pennies cut expenses and get one now...I am doing the same to get two trashcan O Paps Quoted:
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Thanks for the reply guys. Your comments on performance reflect the same as the fit and finish I saw in person. The Windhams are top notch indeed. It's on the summer buy list.
Great guns. You do know that one more BS shooting and they will be gone for a long time again right? Save your pennies cut expenses and get one now...I am doing the same to get two trashcan O Paps Yeah...I know...but I'm self employed and summer is my busy time and affords me the ca$h to sustain my hobby only at that time of year. If I miss it this time....well...let's just say I won't be defenseless 
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Armalite better than Colt
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They're quality. I would rate it Windham, Colt, Armalite. But theyre all right there. It's a great first AR15 option Armalite better than Colt
OP, spend the extra $100-$200 and buy an LE6920. OP could wait a little bit, save up during that wait time and get one of the new FN-15's. If you want to argue milspec quality rifles. |
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OP could wait a little bit, save up during that wait time and get one of the new FN-15's. If you want to argue milspec quality rifles. Quoted:
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They're quality. I would rate it Windham, Colt, Armalite. But theyre all right there. It's a great first AR15 option Armalite better than Colt
OP, spend the extra $100-$200 and buy an LE6920. OP could wait a little bit, save up during that wait time and get one of the new FN-15's. If you want to argue milspec quality rifles. We know next to nothing regarding the specs of the FN-15. They have put out some information, but it doesn't tell us much. I suspect that FN will put out a quality rifle, but until they are actually released or we know more about where the parts come from, I wouldn't be wholesale endorsing them over other mfgs. |
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I suspect that FN will put out a quality rifle, but until they are actually released or we know more about where the parts come from, I wouldn't be wholesale endorsing them over other mfgs. Pick up this magazine, it's all in the first few pages of how they're manufacturing them. It will be done in a new branch of the factory specifically for the civi variants. 
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Pick up this magazine, it's all in the first few pages of how they're manufacturing them. It will be done in a new branch of the factory specifically for the civi variants. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N-Gfgo4Jio0/UsGi8J5T-wI/AAAAAAAAVxI/-PA7-kYvezY/s1600/Zeroed.jpg Quoted:
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I suspect that FN will put out a quality rifle, but until they are actually released or we know more about where the parts come from, I wouldn't be wholesale endorsing them over other mfgs. Pick up this magazine, it's all in the first few pages of how they're manufacturing them. It will be done in a new branch of the factory specifically for the civi variants. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N-Gfgo4Jio0/UsGi8J5T-wI/AAAAAAAAVxI/-PA7-kYvezY/s1600/Zeroed.jpg I've read it and it is short on meaningful details. What makes the FN civilian offerings interesting, is the fact that they have authorized use of the TDP's to produce military firearms. Presumably, they can't use the dimensions, specs, etc. in the TDP to produce and market civilian AR's. Candidly, I have no idea how all of this works. But, I'm rather certain of two things. First, FN does not want to be sued. And second, FN is not likely to put out a junk product. There is speculation that FN is going to have to outsource parts from other mfg's for their civilian line. So, the FN you buy at the gunstore may be far from the FN that is produced for the military. The "civi specific" branch may be no more than an assembler. Frankly, I'm not sure that is a big deal, but I would sure want to know more before I bought one or even recommended one. I think we will start to get more facts after SHOT and when the actual rifles start to make their way into the hands of distributors. |
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I've read it and it is short on meaningful details. What makes the FN civilian offerings interesting, is the fact that they have authorized use of the TDP's to produce military firearms. Presumably, they can't use the dimensions, specs, etc. in the TDP to produce and market civilian AR's. Candidly, I have no idea how all of this works. But, I'm rather certain of two things. First, FN does not want to be sued. And second, FN is not likely to put out a junk product. There is speculation that FN is going to have to outsource parts from other mfg's for their civilian line. So, the FN you buy at the gunstore may be far from the FN that is produced for the military. The "civi specific" branch may be no more than an assembler. Frankly, I'm not sure that is a big deal, but I would sure want to know more before I bought one or even recommended one. I think we will start to get more facts after SHOT and when the actual rifles start to make their way into the hands of distributors. Quoted:
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I suspect that FN will put out a quality rifle, but until they are actually released or we know more about where the parts come from, I wouldn't be wholesale endorsing them over other mfgs. Pick up this magazine, it's all in the first few pages of how they're manufacturing them. It will be done in a new branch of the factory specifically for the civi variants. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N-Gfgo4Jio0/UsGi8J5T-wI/AAAAAAAAVxI/-PA7-kYvezY/s1600/Zeroed.jpg I've read it and it is short on meaningful details. What makes the FN civilian offerings interesting, is the fact that they have authorized use of the TDP's to produce military firearms. Presumably, they can't use the dimensions, specs, etc. in the TDP to produce and market civilian AR's. Candidly, I have no idea how all of this works. But, I'm rather certain of two things. First, FN does not want to be sued. And second, FN is not likely to put out a junk product. There is speculation that FN is going to have to outsource parts from other mfg's for their civilian line. So, the FN you buy at the gunstore may be far from the FN that is produced for the military. The "civi specific" branch may be no more than an assembler. Frankly, I'm not sure that is a big deal, but I would sure want to know more before I bought one or even recommended one. I think we will start to get more facts after SHOT and when the actual rifles start to make their way into the hands of distributors. FN definitely isn't junk, just look at their SCAR rifles. Colt isn't junk either, though. Although you have to wonder if Colt outsources parts on their civi rifles, too. The Colt the .mil gets is probably a different rifle in terms of manufacturing than we probably get too. Just from the guns that I've shot from FN and the overall quality I've seen from them so far, I think the FN-15 shouldn't be any different. They'll most likely be a bit more pricier than the average Colt, though. |
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FN definitely isn't junk, just look at their SCAR rifles. Colt isn't junk either, though. Although you have to wonder if Colt outsources parts on their civi rifles, too. The Colt the .mil gets is probably a different rifle in terms of manufacturing than we probably get too. Just from the guns that I've shot from FN and the overall quality I've seen from them so far, I think the FN-15 shouldn't be any different. They'll most likely be a bit more pricier than the average Colt, though. Quoted:
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I suspect that FN will put out a quality rifle, but until they are actually released or we know more about where the parts come from, I wouldn't be wholesale endorsing them over other mfgs. Pick up this magazine, it's all in the first few pages of how they're manufacturing them. It will be done in a new branch of the factory specifically for the civi variants. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N-Gfgo4Jio0/UsGi8J5T-wI/AAAAAAAAVxI/-PA7-kYvezY/s1600/Zeroed.jpg I've read it and it is short on meaningful details. What makes the FN civilian offerings interesting, is the fact that they have authorized use of the TDP's to produce military firearms. Presumably, they can't use the dimensions, specs, etc. in the TDP to produce and market civilian AR's. Candidly, I have no idea how all of this works. But, I'm rather certain of two things. First, FN does not want to be sued. And second, FN is not likely to put out a junk product. There is speculation that FN is going to have to outsource parts from other mfg's for their civilian line. So, the FN you buy at the gunstore may be far from the FN that is produced for the military. The "civi specific" branch may be no more than an assembler. Frankly, I'm not sure that is a big deal, but I would sure want to know more before I bought one or even recommended one. I think we will start to get more facts after SHOT and when the actual rifles start to make their way into the hands of distributors. FN definitely isn't junk, just look at their SCAR rifles. Colt isn't junk either, though. Although you have to wonder if Colt outsources parts on their civi rifles, too. The Colt the .mil gets is probably a different rifle in terms of manufacturing than we probably get too. Just from the guns that I've shot from FN and the overall quality I've seen from them so far, I think the FN-15 shouldn't be any different. They'll most likely be a bit more pricier than the average Colt, though. At Colt, the civilian AR's are mfg'd right along side of the military rifles. Just different fcg, barrels, etc. Colt can do this because it is their own intellectual property. FN's situation is different because they are using Colt's intellectual property to produce for the military, and presumably they are prohibited from using that IP to produce and market to civilians. I'm not an attorney, and I'm certainly not even remotely aware of how all of these IP agreements work. I just find it kind of interesting. At the end of the day, as long as FN sources quality parts and adheres to proper procedures, I don't see why it matters a whole lot if they are not made with the same parts as the rifles that go to the military. My BCM's and Noveske's aren't produced next to military rifles and I'm perfectly happy with them anyway. |
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At Colt, the civilian AR's are mfg'd right along side of the military rifles. Just different fcg, barrels, etc. Colt can do this because it is their own intellectual property. FN's situation is different because they are using Colt's intellectual property to produce for the military, and presumably they are prohibited from using that IP to produce and market to civilians. I'm not an attorney, and I'm certainly not even remotely aware of how all of these IP agreements work. I just find it kind of interesting. At the end of the day, as long as FN sources quality parts and adheres to proper procedures, I don't see why it matters a whole lot if they are not made with the same parts as the rifles that go to the military. My BCM's and Noveske's aren't produced next to military rifles and I'm perfectly happy with them anyway. To my understanding it is because of FN's government contract. It states in the .gov contract that they cannot produce a civilian variant in the same plant as the .mil contract license. They had to build a new branch at the factory away from the .mil manufacturing lines to get this rolling. |
| I’d go a head and buy one now, an xx15 in hand is much better than an FN15 on paper, won’t be your last anyway. My little brother was very lucky to get his hands on a DPMS for $1400 few months ago, killed 2 hogs with it just as dead. With commies running our country, you never know what will happen tomorrow. |
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