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Posted: 6/27/2024 11:47:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2024 11:53:16 PM EDT
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H&R is still making great lowers thanks to Mike. PSA has a stealth lower with no roll mark.
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Posted: 6/27/2024 11:56:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: H&R is still making great lowers thanks to Mike. PSA has a stealth lower with no roll mark. Also Anderson. |
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Posted: 6/27/2024 11:58:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: H&R is still making great lowers thanks to Mike. PSA has a stealth lower with no roll mark. Yes, I understand that H&R is using the forgings (?) from NoDak, or something like that, but they are all marked. As for the PSA lower, would the quality be the same as what NoDak was producing? I know NoDak lowers were in-spec. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 12:24:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I understand that H&R is using the forgings (?) from NoDak, or something like that, but they are all marked. As for the PSA lower, would the quality be the same as what NoDak was producing? I know NoDak lowers were in-spec. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: H&R is still making great lowers thanks to Mike. PSA has a stealth lower with no roll mark. Yes, I understand that H&R is using the forgings (?) from NoDak, or something like that, but they are all marked. As for the PSA lower, would the quality be the same as what NoDak was producing? I know NoDak lowers were in-spec. PSA & Anderson are two of the largest gun manufacturers in the United States. PSA's QC is likely better than Anderson's and their customer service is pretty good, if slow. They're all 7075 lowers w/ Type 3 anodizing, machined to AR-15 specs from raw forgings. I don't know what more quality you want than that - more expensive lowers you're paying for QC to catch an error, rather than any improved quality of the lower itself, or you're paying for ambi features, or QD holes, or integrated folding buffer tube hinges. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 12:54:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2024 2:21:00 AM EDT
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Mckay Enterprises
Not the best product photography, but beautiful machining! No logo. https://products.mckay-ent.com/mckay-parts/mckay-parts-5680/ar-15-a2-lower-receiver-3403725 |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 8:07:42 AM EDT
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Spikes makes one.
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Posted: 6/28/2024 9:37:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spikes makes one. Lose the pictograms and they wouldn't be half bad. Much better that the dueling dongs of past days though. 
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Posted: 6/28/2024 10:50:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2024 10:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also Anderson. That's what I use, but not sure they meet the "high quality" prerequisite of OP  |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 11:30:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I use, but not sure they meet the "high quality" prerequisite of OP Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also Anderson. That's what I use, but not sure they meet the "high quality" prerequisite of OP A lower is either in spec or it ain't. Anderson lets out of spec blems through at a higher rate than other manufacturers - they skimp on their QC to keep their prices low. I'm paying under $50 for Andersons from my distributors, and we regularly see them blown out at PA for $30 on sale. If you get a bad one, Anderson will send you another one. But 87% of Andersons have the exact dimensions of 90% of Spikes, with the exact same anodizing thickness. If you're getting a Spikes, you're paying for the QC of that extra 3%. Obviously my #s are made up, I expect a much higher percentage of Andersons are in spec, and even more by Spikes. But ARFCOM obliges me to use standard made up numbers. 
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Posted: 6/28/2024 1:08:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lower is either in spec or it ain't. Anderson lets out of spec blems through at a higher rate than other manufacturers - they skimp on their QC to keep their prices low. I'm paying under $50 for Andersons from my distributors, and we regularly see them blown out at PA for $30 on sale. If you get a bad one, Anderson will send you another one. But 87% of Andersons have the exact dimensions of 90% of Spikes, with the exact same anodizing thickness. If you're getting a Spikes, you're paying for the QC of that extra 3%. Obviously my #s are made up, I expect a much higher percentage of Andersons are in spec, and even more by Spikes. But ARFCOM obliges me to use standard made up numbers. Ya, I've never had a problem. I buy the 3-packs for $89 |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 2:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lose the pictograms and they wouldn't be half bad. Much better that the dueling dongs of past days though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spikes makes one. Lose the pictograms and they wouldn't be half bad. Much better that the dueling dongs of past days though. Yeah, I gotta agree on the pictograms. That woulda been a good lower to get. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 3:01:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat’s what I am talking about. What’s the word on the quality? ETA: Jus noticed they didn’t even put “safe” or “fire.” That really is a LOW KEY lower! |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 3:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mckay Enterprises Not the best product photography, but beautiful machining! No logo. https://products.mckay-ent.com/mckay-parts/mckay-parts-5680/ar-15-a2-lower-receiver-3403725 Another possible choice. Too bad the stock picture sucks. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 3:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another possible choice. Too bad the stock picture sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mckay Enterprises Not the best product photography, but beautiful machining! No logo. https://products.mckay-ent.com/mckay-parts/mckay-parts-5680/ar-15-a2-lower-receiver-3403725 Another possible choice. Too bad the stock picture sucks. Excellent lowers, IME. Edit: Really wish Range Tool would come back around with their lowers. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 4:53:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s what I am talking about. What’s the word on the quality? ETA: Jus noticed they didn’t even put “safe” or “fire.” That really is a LOW KEY lower! Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s what I am talking about. What’s the word on the quality? ETA: Jus noticed they didn’t even put “safe” or “fire.” That really is a LOW KEY lower! I mostly see them used for Fallout: New Vegas builds and haven't noticed any complaints yet. I don't personally own one yet but will probably get a custom-marked one eventually. If it matters to you, they have an M16-cut trigger pocket and the company founder has said on Reddit that he tries to make them as close to the TDP as possible. We make them to the print. We hold the low side on almost everything. All holes are reamed to size after drill. Front lug is cut at .500” with a key cutter so it’s on size every time. We hold the rear lug at .500” to .501”. Everyone bitches if they wobble in the slightest or if they are tight and you need pressure to open them. Can’t win either way. If you get one that’s actually out of spec, we’ll gladly replace it or make you a new one. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 10:49:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mostly see them used for Fallout: New Vegas builds and haven't noticed any complaints yet. I don't personally own one yet but will probably get a custom-marked one eventually. If it matters to you, they have an M16-cut trigger pocket and the company founder has said on Reddit that he tries to make them as close to the TDP as possible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That’s what I am talking about. What’s the word on the quality? ETA: Jus noticed they didn’t even put “safe” or “fire.” That really is a LOW KEY lower! I mostly see them used for Fallout: New Vegas builds and haven't noticed any complaints yet. I don't personally own one yet but will probably get a custom-marked one eventually. If it matters to you, they have an M16-cut trigger pocket and the company founder has said on Reddit that he tries to make them as close to the TDP as possible. We make them to the print. We hold the low side on almost everything. All holes are reamed to size after drill. Front lug is cut at .500” with a key cutter so it’s on size every time. We hold the rear lug at .500” to .501”. Everyone bitches if they wobble in the slightest or if they are tight and you need pressure to open them. Can’t win either way. If you get one that’s actually out of spec, we’ll gladly replace it or make you a new one. Good info! Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 11:20:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s what I am talking about. What’s the word on the quality? ETA: Jus noticed they didn’t even put “safe” or “fire.” That really is a LOW KEY lower! Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s what I am talking about. What’s the word on the quality? ETA: Jus noticed they didn’t even put “safe” or “fire.” That really is a LOW KEY lower! They offer them with pictogram and also with SAFE/FIRE markings as well. |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 9:27:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I understand that H&R is using the forgings (?) from NoDak, or something like that, but they are all marked. As for the PSA lower, would the quality be the same as what NoDak was producing? I know NoDak lowers were in-spec. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: H&R is still making great lowers thanks to Mike. PSA has a stealth lower with no roll mark. Yes, I understand that H&R is using the forgings (?) from NoDak, or something like that, but they are all marked. As for the PSA lower, would the quality be the same as what NoDak was producing? I know NoDak lowers were in-spec. Mike holds H&R to tighter specs but PSA lowers are all milspec. Why would you think they werent? |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 9:10:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mike holds H&R to tighter specs but PSA lowers are all milspec. Why would you think they werent? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: H&R is still making great lowers thanks to Mike. PSA has a stealth lower with no roll mark. Yes, I understand that H&R is using the forgings (?) from NoDak, or something like that, but they are all marked. As for the PSA lower, would the quality be the same as what NoDak was producing? I know NoDak lowers were in-spec. Mike holds H&R to tighter specs but PSA lowers are all milspec. Why would you think they werent? B/c they're not a lower shelf? |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 9:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mike holds H&R to tighter specs but PSA lowers are all milspec. Why would you think they werent? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: H&R is still making great lowers thanks to Mike. PSA has a stealth lower with no roll mark. Yes, I understand that H&R is using the forgings (?) from NoDak, or something like that, but they are all marked. As for the PSA lower, would the quality be the same as what NoDak was producing? I know NoDak lowers were in-spec. Mike holds H&R to tighter specs but PSA lowers are all milspec. Why would you think they werent? I guess I don’t expect cheaper lowers to have consistent quality control. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 8:39:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lose the pictograms and they wouldn't be half bad. Much better that the dueling dongs of past days though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spikes makes one. Lose the pictograms and they wouldn't be half bad. Much better that the dueling dongs of past days though. The Anderson no-logo lowers have pictograms also. I wish they would loose theirs. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 9:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Anderson no-logo lowers have pictograms also. I wish they would loose theirs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Spikes makes one. Lose the pictograms and they wouldn't be half bad. Much better that the dueling dongs of past days though. The Anderson no-logo lowers have pictograms also. I wish they would loose theirs. Yeah, I have a few squirreled away. Unfortunately pictogram markings seem to have gained popularity. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 9:35:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I don’t expect cheaper lowers to have consistent quality control. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: H&R is still making great lowers thanks to Mike. PSA has a stealth lower with no roll mark. Yes, I understand that H&R is using the forgings (?) from NoDak, or something like that, but they are all marked. As for the PSA lower, would the quality be the same as what NoDak was producing? I know NoDak lowers were in-spec. Mike holds H&R to tighter specs but PSA lowers are all milspec. Why would you think they werent? I guess I don’t expect cheaper lowers to have consistent quality control. Their QC is fine. Just because it's a cheaper lower doesn't mean our of spec. PSA has sold millions of lowers. There are probably millions of poverty ponies out there. Occasionally one gets through, but for the most part. They are all gtg. |
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Posted: 7/2/2024 1:25:44 PM EDT
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I have over a dozen Anderson no logo lowers and they are 100% good to go. I’ve never had that first problem with them. My only complaints are they don’t have the pictographs on both sides and the don’t put full auto pictographs on them. Neither are needed or probably even wanted by most people but I like them.
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