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Posted: 10/2/2009 10:10:15 AM EDT
I was at the Coast Guard MSST at Homestead ARB. I never was over there before. They had one of their newest A2 rifle out. A old 603 with a black finished applied over the grey one. There was a scratch one side and you could see the gray finish. The A2 upper had a nice gray finish as well. The side was label M16 and Auto, but only had burst. Too bad they refinished the lower, at least they did not engrave Burst into it.
They had a Mk 18 out with all the stuff on it. I just checked out the A2. Sorry for the phone pic, I did not have a camera with me. 
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They did not know about the history of the lower had. I guess they thought it was new. Now, which one of us bought the upper?| Well, the A2 isn't retro but the lower sure is! Nothing new though for me though. In the Care Force, it's not uncommon to see an A2 upper on an old 604, 602 and even 601 lowers. Right around 2000, there was a massive upgrade program through the USAF by putting A22 mod kits onto existing A1 and earlier lowers so us folks in CATM see that sort of thing all the time. |
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Whether, like this one, it's an A2 upper on an A1 lower or the other way around shouldn't it be called an A1.5? I use that term all the time for my whacky-retroish projects and ideas... A1C7 upper on an A2 lower with A1 barrel... A1.5... Slick side upper, USGI A1 barrel with three-prong, on a full fence NDS A1 lower.... A1.33&1/3rd? |
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I was at the Coast Guard MSST at Homestead ARB. I never was over there before. They had one of their newest A2 rifle out. A old 603 with a black finished applied over the grey one. There was a scratch one side and you could see the gray finish. The A2 upper had a nice gray finish as well. The side was label M16 and Auto, but only had burst. Too bad they refinished the lower, at least they did not engrave Burst into it.
They had a Mk 18 out with all the stuff on it. I just checked out the A2. Sorry for the phone pic, I did not have a camera with me.
GVS http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv207/gvsphoto/Misc/IMAGE_183.jpg http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv207/gvsphoto/Misc/IMAGE_184.jpg GVS, Did you happen to notice what they were running for a barrel? |
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I'm glad to see these old warhorses modernized and reused, rather than shredded and sold for scrap. +1!!! If PETA and NAVS can destroy laboratories, why can't someone figure out a way to scuttle Captain Crunch??? Did I say that? Nope, not me... 
Hmmmm.... *Is diving through his old odds and ends boxes for the 25mm rounds he got from his cousin one time...* Edit...Have we tried the budget/money ploy? "Hey DOD! Did YOU know that you can sell parts of old guns for BIG MONEY to people who want to make their AR-15's look really cool? And that this money can be exchanged for NEW guns to use to shoot at Charl...Er...Achmed?" |
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This brings up my current project - I have a gray A2 stripped upper which I'm going to put on a NDS A1 lower as a 1986 period conversion.
Here is my current problem - I need a gray A2 sight and gray A2 FA assembly, and since we know A2s are not retro (you knew there had to be a hook in this post), where are all of the gray A2 parts? |
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I did not take a full shot of the rifle. The upper was a complete A2 drop in (1/7), the FCG was replaced as well. The only retro part was the lower. Maybe one day I go over to that side of the base and see if I can look over their other rifles. Salt water is a major problem for them.
NON-RETRO ALEART*** They had a M240B with a lite gray finish, look like it was cleaned to death. They said they were replacing their M9 with Sig in the near future. *** |
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Yessir, an XM16E1 lower she is. Nope, it is an early 604 lower, not a 603 XM16E1 lower. On the left side it is marked M16 making it a 604. I stand corrected  . Man, those markings are hard to see. Have to bump up the magnification on the screen here.
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I love that gun! It warms my heart to see them recycling stuff like that.
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This brings up my current project - I have a gray A2 stripped upper which I'm going to put on a NDS A1 lower as a 1986 period conversion. Here is my current problem - I need a gray A2 sight and gray A2 FA assembly, and since we know A2s are not retro (you knew there had to be a hook in this post), where are all of the gray A2 parts? I can't remember where I got my A2 rear sight assembly, but the teardrop forward assist on my M16A1E1 clone is just a standard current-production DPMS IIRC. 
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This brings up my current project - I have a gray A2 stripped upper which I'm going to put on a NDS A1 lower as a 1986 period conversion. Here is my current problem - I need a gray A2 sight and gray A2 FA assembly, and since we know A2s are not retro (you knew there had to be a hook in this post), where are all of the gray A2 parts? I can't remember where I got my A2 rear sight assembly, but the teardrop forward assist on my M16A1E1 clone is just a standard current-production DPMS IIRC. http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/Datlore001/m16a1e1.jpg Thanks, but the early A2 conversions were like the one pictured in the first post of the thread - gray upper A2s with replacement fire control and stocks on M16A1 lowers - which is the look I'm after. So I need the gray A2 FA, A2 port door and sight for the stripped upper. |
| IIRC, the very first M16A1E1s had a ltwt A1 profile barrel but in 1:7 - the government profile was adopted with the other A2 mods - most of those barrels ended up in overseas contracts I think, but a member recently posted that he had one. Rare bird. Remember, when the M4 profile barrel came about, several different profiles were tested. I'd leave the thing the way it is you ask me. |
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This brings up my current project - I have a gray A2 stripped upper which I'm going to put on a NDS A1 lower as a 1986 period conversion. Here is my current problem - I need a gray A2 sight and gray A2 FA assembly, and since we know A2s are not retro (you knew there had to be a hook in this post), where are all of the gray A2 parts? try the naval jelly trick? |
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Quoted: IIRC, the very first M16A1E1s had a ltwt A1 profile barrel but in 1:7 - the government profile was adopted with the other A2 mods - most of those barrels ended up in overseas contracts I think, but a member recently posted that he had one. Rare bird. Remember, when the M4 profile barrel came about, several different profiles were tested. I'd leave the thing the way it is you ask me. That would be me Morg. I wish I had bought another one , or two back in the day when they were for sale from Sarco. Mine is a SAK barrel. I will see if I can post a pic of it. Colt A2 upper with SAK Pencil barrel 1 in 7. |
Pics forgive the poor quality, wife has the Nikon and I had to use my BB to take them. The barrel says SAK MP CHROME BORE there is no twist marking but after I received it I ran a rod through it and it most certainly is 1 in 7 . This thing will launch a 75 grain bullet superbly. I was going to order a CMMG pencil barrel and then they stopped making them. My favorite profile without a doubt I can not believe there is not a market for this barrel profile in this twist rate. I really wanted to build a 601 clone using a 1in7 barrel. This gun is not retro but since the subject came up.     |
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This brings up my current project - I have a gray A2 stripped upper which I'm going to put on a NDS A1 lower as a 1986 period conversion. Here is my current problem - I need a gray A2 sight and gray A2 FA assembly, and since we know A2s are not retro (you knew there had to be a hook in this post), where are all of the gray A2 parts? try the naval jelly trick? I can see that for the FA, I'm hoping not to have to disassemble the rear sight to try it. I suspect I'm going to end us buying an older Colt A2 upper off of GB or EE with the big hole and scavenge the good stuff off of it. Which means this style of A2 may not be retro, but is getting close, which is why I have voted to include them - you can build a later A2 from new parts, but not the first style off the line. |
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Quoted: This thread has me thinking aging about those AF SF troops I saw last year with the A2/Pencil barrel mutants . It makes me wonder if they were 1 in 7 or 1 in 12. Well, the A2 isn't retro but the lower sure is! Nothing new though for me though. In the Care Force, it's not uncommon to see an A2 upper on an old 604, 602 and even 601 lowers. Right around 2000, there was a massive upgrade program through the USAF by putting A22 mod kits onto existing A1 and earlier lowers so us folks in CATM see that sort of thing all the time. |
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